I am supposed to be on my weekend, but I wanted to clarify one thing before I come back and settle the matter in full next week.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Because you and @Victoribus Spolia were arguing that modern capitalism is not capitalism. Now we agree that it is.
I was extremely specific in my point, given the definition of capitalism provided by @SolarCross; My argument was that the MEANS or INFRASTRUCTURE of our CURRENT system is not capitalist; even if capitalism still exists in some sense wherever private property and free exchange occurs.
So, to be clear, The mechanism of our current crony system (namely; the state) is neither privately owned nor is it freely exchanged; thus this infrastructure (your word) or mechanism (my term) for this current system is not capitalist because it FAILS to meet the definition
given by @SolarCross. Because this is the case; regulated markets are corrupted by the state and are no longer pure; which is why the mainstream view of Ancaps is that the most preferable markets to engage in against the state (the purest ones); are the grey and black markets.
Thus; even in a totalitarian socialist state; capitalism can still take place on black markets or in places where the state is unable to properly manage markets at all , people, and resources (e.g. Zomia); however, that does not make the state capitalist or even pro capitalist, and the fact that these processes often happen in spite of the state
is only proof that they don't require the state in the first place; as they are themselves a means of peaceful resistance against that state as such a state outlaws such things as private property and free exchange in the first place; this capitalist-resistance being what might be called agorism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zomia_(region
I have agreed with @SolarCross's other remarks thus far; but would be more definitive in my opinion that feudalism is stateless capitalism wherever there was no third-part monopolist of coercion; or where monarchies had bound their lords via voluntary contract (arguably what occurred under the Frankish model under Charlemagne).