[ComradeTim]

Possible but seriously, this guy has called it a disease. It could be deep cover but IMO, he's just a very authoritarian technocrat.

[mikema63]

People have weird rationalizations, I've known people who would tell me how horrible racism is, but that blacks were doing much better under jim crow.

[Decky]

Separate but equal eh?

[mikema63]

Separate, at the very least.

[RhetoricThug]

Soundtrack, for life right now
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You seem to be confused. Liberalism and Marxism are not the same thing. What you call cultural Marxism has nothing to do with Marxism.

Brainwashing is brainwashing, and cultural Marxism tends to be used as terminology to represent one unified society. I suppose it isn't fair to use Marx, we should call it cultural homogenization, where cultural values are defined by the inner party of any society. Of course, if the propaganda is coming from the left, a communist centered left, then it could easily be cultural Marxism. However, the right tends to apply leftist labels to anything they wish to demonize, hence the emphasis on the left being the world's villain behind globalization. In reality, once you sweep aside terms and political hoo-haw, the process of assimilating an entire group of people to accept particular cultural values (and vernaculars) not only exists, but thrives via mass media.

Once again, both parties that discuss brainwashing get lost in their own political rhetoric, trying to pin the tail on the donkey or elephant (figuratively representing left vs right in America, sorry world), yet both ignore the fact that cultural homogenization will occur with or without their viewpoints. This is because of the economic system, and money, or more precisely- corporate advertising. For it lives outside of the left-right political paradigm, allowing it to victimize members of any society anywhere in the world.

I specifically mentioned assuming the identity of others which places me on the same footing when it comes to garnering any understanding of their position.

That's physically impossible, Igor, and may only be achieved through your imagination, similar to the experiences video games offer. Life isn't ah video game, sorry.

I mentioned hurdles when I moved onto the idea of progressing my own agenda against their own. Hence efficiency. Understanding does not imply pacifism or co-existence. It is most useful if you want to destroy your foes.

Okay guy.

[Gletkin]

There is still no such thing as cultural Marxism. It is a economic theory.

Yeah. Marxism can only be uncultural, countercultural or anticultural.

It's an economic theory, marx didn't have all that much to say on culture.

It's just a new twist on an old right-wing propaganda tactic. Propaganda is a version of stereotyping and like all stereotypes, it shouldn't be taken at face value, but it's often based on some degree of truth.

Traditionally, those who opposed racism, sectarianism, or sexism were often branded "communists" because back then it seemed that only far-left socialists took such stances. At that time even "mainstream liberals" accepted racial supremacy and what not.

Then along came the 1990s when capitalism seemed to decisively defeat socialism. The Europeans supposedly coined the term "TINA: There Is No Alternative (to capitalism). Many soi-disant "Marxists" retreated to focusing on "cultural/social/lifestyle" issues as that was the one aspect of society about which they seemed to be "correct" on. Indeed, some of them became part of that trend branded by some as "political correctness", which often seemed to consist entirely of contemporary cultural issues.

It may or may not be true that that's "not real Marxism" (that whole No True Scotsman thing aside). But for what it's worth Marx himself supposedly said "I am not a 'Marxist'".

[fuser]

But for what it's worth Marx himself supposedly said "I am not a 'Marxist'".

From what I have read, this was said in a completely different context. Marx was not happy with the "term" Marxism and preferred it to be called "Scientific Socialism", this quote of his is said in this semantic context.

[Potemkin]

From what I have read, this was said in a completely different context. Marx was not happy with the "term" Marxism and preferred it to be called "Scientific Socialism", this quote of his is said in this semantic context.

There seem to have been two factors in Marx's mind: he was unhappy with the 'cult of personality' which was beginning to gather around his name - he regarded himself as having founded a science, not a quasi-religious cult - and he was outraged by the antics of some French faux-leftists who would make idiotic pronouncements about things they didn't understand and then claim that they were 'Marxists'. Marx's exact word were, I believe: "If these people are 'Marxists', then I know only one thing: I am not a 'Marxist'!"

[RhetoricThug]

Marx was not happy with the "term" Marxism and preferred it to be called "Scientific Socialism", this quote of his is said in this semantic context.

Great job, you figured out that scientific socialism comes from Marx.

It's just a new twist on an old right-wing propaganda tactic. Propaganda is a version of stereotyping and like all stereotypes, it shouldn't be taken at face value, but it's often based on some degree of truth.

Thanks Gletkin for restating what I said.

What you need, some George Orwell. For your required reading, I demand that you pick up Orwell's critical essays 'All Art is Propaganda,' and read 'The Prevention of Literature.' You cannot truly be freethinking or an intellectual if you think through the left or right.

[Gletkin]

From what I have read, this was said in a completely different context. Marx was not happy with the "term" Marxism and preferred it to be called "Scientific Socialism", this quote of his is said in this semantic context.

It's certainly true that he and Engels always referred to their ideology as such. "Marxism" was likely a neologism coined by others who couldn't quite stomach the idea that his views constituted a "science" and sought a term that would honestly state that all this was just the opinions of a person named "Marx".

But it appears that Engels himself was the one who attributed that quote to Marx, and it does appear to be in the context of voicing displeasure with the way some people were presenting his views:

Nor have you any other source, i.e. other than Malon at second hand, for your reiterated assertion that in France "Marxism" suffers from a marked lack of esteem. Now what is known as ‘Marxism’ in France is, indeed, an altogether peculiar product — so much so that Marx once said to Lafargue: "Ce qu'il y a de certain c'est que moi, je ne suis pas Marxiste." [If anything is certain, it is that I myself am not a Marxist]

[fuser]

Great job, you figured out that scientific socialism comes from Marx.

No, I haven't, enlighten me with your alienspeak.

[Iron Ant]

All of humanity.

You're all the same.

The only thing you people want to do is yell and scream and hurt and kill people whoa re not like you.

The only people you value are people who are like you.

I want something better.

[Potemkin]

The only thing you people want to do is yell and scream and hurt and kill people whoa re not like you.

The only people you value are people who are like you.

But aren't you expressing exactly the same attitude, Iron Ant?

Shouldn't you therefore hold yourself in contempt too...?

[Dagoth Ur]

C'mon Pote he is clearly a special case. As shown by his Rejections.

[Iron Ant]

Shouldn't you therefore hold yourself in contempt too...?

You're argumentativeness is one of the big things about people I hold in high contempt.

No, I am not the same as you.

Because I'm sure you have no sense of decency or honesty or integrity, and thus must use people's words against them to put them down any way you can you make yourself feel better and important.

That's all you people ever do.

You are all the same.

[Saeko]

^ I told you he was 13

[Iron Ant]

Integrity. Maturity. Benevolent. Educated. Character. Intelligence.Laudable. Eloquent.

Yeah, there is some serious humanity in there.

You people are all the same.

[mikema63]

[Iron Ant]

You guys don't know the irony of your craptastic behavior in comparison to what I've said.

You are all the same.

Every single one of you.

This is all you have, insult and berating because I have a different opinion than you.

As you insult me you are only defining yourselves, not me.

And you are only revealing your real character.

I have not done anything wrong.

[Dagoth Ur]

Except insult everyone else by calling them mindless...