[nonesuch]

I have long thought America is a great place, but die for it? Come on, now. Some day there will be no USA. A thousand years, ten thousand, a million... earth into the sun. A biomass existed on such and such a planet between T and T'. The 'historical process' you gave your all for never existed. So why not experience one more sunrise and let the country go as it will? Also, I have heard up to haif the soldiers in Vietnam shot over the heads of the enemy. Remarkably, the same is thought true of battle-field soldiers of WW II. Where would you be on that?

[Oxymoron]

I would kill for it, and probably accept a certain level of danger, but I would never die for it. I think people who die for a cause are idiots, you only die for family.

[Fasces]

Attitudes like yours are why our society is in such shambles.

[KlassWar]

I'd be willing to kill and die for both socialist revolution and Catalan national liberation. No qualms whatsoever on killing, as I firmly believe class/political enemies and their accomplices and enforcers should be squashed like vermin. Dying I wouldn't much like, but in the long run we're all dead and people tend to get remarkably little choice in whether or not they get killed, so the point is largely moot.

[Oxymoron]

calm down there brave heart.

In all honesty you would sell the cause down the drain for a cigarette, before you are shot.

[KlassWar]

Many on the far left have killed and died for the cause, so I resent the assumption that far-leftists ain't got it in them. The far left does in fact take to armed struggle somewhat often.

[onemalehuman]

Attitudes like yours are why our society is in such shambles.

Honoring symbolism strictly as defined turned societal evolution into corrupted absolute power of choice to always pick a lesser of two evils.

That turned being civil into characters saving civic mindsets of "what if". Doesn't matter which global spirituality or national notion of political character's rights to dictate who's who andn whom is exempt from rule of law making ancestors subjects of academic definitions built upon "Nobody can know everything" philosophies

Self evident has a reason to be self evident and that comes from self containment in either genetic codes or this atmosphere's total sum of adding details here now exactly as conceived by the migrating matter locked into this constant universal location.

Contracting results of specific ally expanding details. Now is the universal center of that going on everywhere all the time.

Balance doesn't happen outside extreme points of view, Balance arrives by what adapts to that which is pulled apart.

[SpaciousBox]

It depends how we are defining "country". Are we talking about the possible impending doom of the British people? Or the possible impending doom of an imperialist British state? The state I don't give a rats ass about, but the people, sure. I would both kill and die in the protecting of the British people and their way of life, eg: World War Two, hypothetical independence war, etc. But I would not kill or die in order to make some fascistic imperialist be able to wave the flag and shout about glory/riches, eg; most other wars. So I guess the question isn't really answerable without more details.

[Drlee]

Also, I have heard up to haif the soldiers in Vietnam shot over the heads of the enemy. Remarkably, the same is thought true of battle-field soldiers of WW II. Where would you be on that?

This is one of those never-ending myths that has no basis in fact. I can't speak for the folks of the World War Two era but I can Vietnam. This assertion is pure, unmitigated bullshit. Now when one misses one usually goes over the target but I can assure you that soldiers do not deliberately miss.

If you were to ask soldiers about this they would laugh you out of the building. Consider. When a soldier is shooting someone is shooting back. It is as desperate a situation as one can encounter. During the Vietnam war there was absolutely no doubt in my mind that the Viet Cong and NVA would not hesitate to kill me in an instant should they have the chance to do so. There is, likewise, no doubt in my mind that the Taliban would do the same. The German Army was highly professional. They were trying to kill the allies every way they could and we were trying to return the favor.

Make absolutely no mistake about this. Just about every soldier in military is very carefully trained and indoctrinated to be quite lethal.

[oppose_obama]

only for money. dying for anything else is silly.

[nonesuch]

I would kill for it, and probably accept a certain level of danger, but I would never die for it. I think people who die for a cause are idiots, you only die for family.

Just out of curiosity - Could you operate a killer drone out of Colorado Springs or is 'a certain level of danger' part of the action? I agree that only family is worth dying for.

Attitudes like yours are why our society is in such shambles.

Morally challenged maybe. In shambles? But I take your point. Do you think society would be one whit better if only everyone were willing to die for their country? Or were you just demostrating how self-righteous indignation is a hallmark of the uber-patriot? Or...?

I'd be willing to kill and die for both socialist revolution and Catalan national liberation. ... Dying I wouldn't much like, but in the long run we're all dead...

Bravo! Assuming you're not joking about Catalan you may soon get your wish without resort to arms. And true, in the long run we're all dead but it's the willing I'm asking about.

[jessupjonesjnr87]

I would only be wiling to die for my country if life was unbearable, otherwise I come first. I want to milk life for all it's worth I'm not going to risk it unless it is absolutely necessary.

[nonesuch]

... The state I don't give a rats ass about, but the people, sure. I would both kill and die in the protecting of the British people and their way of life, eg: World War Two,...

Perhaps because you have a relatively more homogeneous population with a long history it's more like family. I don't know as I have no feel for 'American people' except qua people.

. This assertion is pure, unmitigated bullshit. Now when one misses one usually goes over the target but I can assure you that soldiers do not deliberately miss.

I'll take your authority on this, Drlee, and not repeat it. Thanks.

I would only be wiling to die for my country if life was unbearable, otherwise I come first. I want to milk life for all it's worth I'm not going to risk it unless it is absolutely necessary.

Apres moi- le deluge? Ok.

[Donna]

If it was World War Two, absolutely. Everything else is kind of dodgy.

[Oxymoron]

ust out of curiosity - Could you operate a killer drone out of Colorado Springs or is 'a certain level of danger' part of the action? I agree that only family is worth dying for.

I would fight in a war, but never accept a suicide mission.

[onemalehuman]

If it was World War Two, absolutely. Everything else is kind of dodgy.

Societal evolution has two world war strikes against it in the game of ruling life as we know it. Don't start swinging strike three into play to save symbolism over substance in the philosophies of mind over matter, matters most.

Just a humble warning to those that believe intellect is above instincts when physically contained by them(instincts functioning).

[JRS1]

Yes. Id defend my country if it was threatened. But not for any colonial/ imperialistic/ Halliburton/ BP bullshit.

[Oxymoron]

How would you make that determination JRS?

[Fasces]

Morally challenged maybe. In shambles? But I take your point. Do you think society would be one whit better if only everyone were willing to die for their country? Or were you just demostrating how self-righteous indignation is a hallmark of the uber-patriot? Or...?

I'd be willing to settle for people not ridiculing the concept as baseless or a "waste".

[mikema63]

No, don't be silly, I don't actually care about my or any country overmuch.