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I'd fight, kill, and die, if necessary, to stop Marxist-Leninists, socialists, and left-wing armed revolutionaries of all stripes. And yes, instilled with that archiac and naive virtue of nationalism, I would kill and die to defend my country and its people
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Classicliberal wrote:I'd fight, kill, and die, if necessary, to stop Marxist-Leninists, socialists, and left-wing armed revolutionaries of all stripes. And yes, instilled with that archiac and naive virtue of nationalism, I would kill and die to defend my country and its people


This
#14587200
The question is very vague. What, precisely, is at risk? What part of my country do I defend and against what?
Now if it's a Utopian country and its whole existence is endangered by merciless savages or Godzilla, etc., it is rational to jeopardize your life when it helps avert destruction.
#14589607
I change my mind. Only retards would die for an abstract concept such as a nation. Pablo Escobar is far more worthy than any patriot as he died to line his own pockets and not some random mofo.

Why die for others when they aren't willing to reciprocate? Would your nation die for you?

Also, I dislike the armchair fighters on this thread, whose experience of war is seen through Battlefield and Call of Duty.
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#14589611
A nation is not an abstract concept. A nation is the people around you, when it comes right down to it. It's your family, and your friends, and your friends of your friends.
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Godstud wrote:A nation is not an abstract concept. A nation is the people around you, when it comes right down to it. It's your family, and your friends, and your friends of your friends.

It most definitely is. What's the difference between a stranger 5km away and a stranger half away around the world, other than some nebulous concept of "blood"? Nationhood is nothing more than some collective feelgood nonsense you could easily find in a football club without all the chauvinism and jingoism.
#14592179
Quantum wrote:What's the difference between a stranger 5km away and a stranger half away around the world, other than some nebulous concept of "blood"?

It's not blood. It's that through your society, your "nation," you share much more of your neighbor's fate than the fate of someone halfway around the world.
Nationhood is nothing more than some collective feelgood nonsense you could easily find in a football club without all the chauvinism and jingoism.

Wrong. National sentiment is derived from the evolutionary fact that your fate as an individual is quite strongly dependent on the fate of the society of which you are a member.
#14592190
Quantum wrote:What's the difference between a stranger 5km away and a stranger half away around the world, other than some nebulous concept of "blood"?
They share your culture, you might actually have met them, and you likely share a lot of common experiences.

Truth to power wrote:National sentiment is derived from the evolutionary fact that your fate as an individual is quite strongly dependent on the fate of the society of which you are a member.
QFT
#14592222
Quantum wrote:It most definitely is. What's the difference between a stranger 5km away and a stranger half away around the world, other than some nebulous concept of "blood"? Nationhood is nothing more than some collective feelgood nonsense you could easily find in a football club without all the chauvinism and jingoism.


You lefties sound as idiotic as lolbertarians when they make their "there are no classes, only individuals" arguments, except with nationhood instead of class.

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