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#14738095
Frollein wrote:See, Albert, and this is why Russia should have surrendered to Germany while you could, instead of being subjugated by China during the next 20 years: we are much gentler masters than the slanted-eyed devils of the East. Have you already forgotten the Mongols?


Oh Frollein... what you don't understand, is that they secretly enjoy it.
#14738097
Frollein wrote:Have you already forgotten the Mongols?


Hey now, wait just a second! What did the Mongols ever do that was wrong? Besides a few... little things, here and there, of course.
#14738107
Although Saeko has a point. I have to say after Germans and Vikings stopped enslaving us because we became Christian. Mongols showing up afterwards were exceptionally brutal. They put white devils of America to shame. They actually did carry away us as slaves in raids, instead of buying slaves from from African kings like Europeans did.

In one raid and war Crimean Tatars (aka Mongols) carried away about 30,000 slaves from Moscow. The only structure that was left intact, is the Kremlin you see today in Moscow. Behind the walls of which remaining surviving inhabitants took refuge. :*(

At one time they (Kazan Tatars) even captured Knaz (king) Vasily (forget number) of Moscow and held him prisoner for randsom. When he finally was returned, he preferred to speak in Tatar more then Russian. :hmm:

Barbarism

Source!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... nst_Rus%27
And then more...
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean–Nogai_raids_into_East_Slavic_lands[/url]
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#14738109
Albert wrote:Although Saeko has a point. I have to say after Germans and Vikings stopped enslaving us because we became Christian. Mongols showing up afterwards were exceptionally brutal. They put white devils of America to shame. They actually did carry away us as slaves in raids, instead of buying slaves from from African kings like Europeans did.

In one raid and war Crimean Tatars (aka Mongols) carried away about 30,000 slaves from Moscow. :*(

At one time they (Kazan Tatars) even captured Knaz (king) Vasily (forget number) of Moscow and held him prisoner for randsom. When he finally was returned, he preferred to speak in Tatar more then Russian. :hmm:

Barbarism

Truly, there is a God and He's Great.
#14738115
Frollein wrote:See, Albert, and this is why Russia should have surrendered to Germany while you could, instead of being subjugated by China during the next 20 years: we are much gentler masters than the slanted-eyed devils of the East. Have you already forgotten the Mongols?

slave (n.) Look up slave at Dictionary.com
late 13c., "person who is the chattel or property of another," from Old French esclave (13c.), from Medieval Latin Sclavus "slave" (source also of Italian schiavo, French esclave, Spanish esclavo), originally "Slav" (see Slav); so used in this secondary sense because of the many Slavs sold into slavery by conquering peoples.
This sense development arose in the consequence of the wars waged by Otto the Great and his successors against the Slavs, a great number of whom they took captive and sold into slavery. [Klein]

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=slave
#14738153
I'm honestly not sure what confuses you about it, so let me just elaborate on it.

Slavs were mostly slaves of Muslims. In the particular Muslim cultures that you're talking about, all slaves had certain rights. That's not to say that slaves weren't mistreated or that it was right for them to take on slaves, but in general the slaves that the Muslims took had certain rights and could even ascend to prominent positions of power. You can compare it to the Roman slavery, if you would like.

Slaves in the white world, on the other hand, were considered subhuman. Whites constructed an ideology of racial superiority in order to justify their economic system, which subjugated blacks based on skin color. This is what is academically known as chattel slavery. Chattel slavery is derived from the word chatel, which is derived from the word capitalis, which is derived from the word caput, meaning head. It shares an origin with the words cattle and capital. In other words the slaves were considered something other than humans with rights, they were considered property. Property had no rights, could be raped, could be killed, could be worked to the bone. Many slaves were worked to death. Many slaves died of overworking or malnutrition. Slaves suffered from high infant mortality rates. Slaves were not allowed to marry, not allowed the basic dignity of having their needs met. Slaveowner wives would often beat the young slaves to death.

Your people's slavery is horrible, but compared to the subjugation of the Mother People of Humanity, the Black People, well it doesn't compare.

And the holocausts were terrible but they weren't a four century affair of continuous suffering.

Even your people's brutality to themselves, at least there was a chance to fight it and a dignity in the struggle. To the black peoples there was no dignity. They were less than human. They were animals, or property to their masters. They would rape them and then blame the promiscuity of the black women. They would work them to death and then call them lazy. They would beat them in anger and then call them vicious. They would rape their women and then call them covetous. They would dehumanize them and then call themselves civilized.

Just because your people was enslaved doesn't mean it compares to what happened to black people. It's two different things we're talking about here.
#14738156
LV-GUCCI-PRADA-FLEX wrote:I'm honestly not sure what confuses you about it, so let me just elaborate on it.

Slavs were mostly slaves of Muslims. In the particular Muslim cultures that you're talking about, all slaves had certain rights. That's not to say that slaves weren't mistreated or that it was right for them to take on slaves, but in general the slaves that the Muslims took had certain rights and could even ascend to prominent positions of power. You can compare it to the Roman slavery, if you would like.

Slaves in the white world, on the other hand, were considered subhuman. Whites constructed an ideology of racial superiority in order to justify their economic system, which subjugated blacks based on skin color. This is what is academically known as chattel slavery. Chattel slavery is derived from the word chatel, which is derived from the word capitalis, which is derived from the word caput, meaning head. It shares an origin with the words cattle and capital. In other words the slaves were considered something other than humans with rights, they were considered property. Property had no rights, could be raped, could be killed, could be worked to the bone. Many slaves were worked to death. Many slaves died of overworking or malnutrition. Slaves suffered from high infant mortality rates. Slaves were not allowed to marry, not allowed the basic dignity of having their needs met. Slaveowner wives would often beat the young slaves to death.

Your people's slavery is horrible, but compared to the subjugation of the Mother People of Humanity, the Black People, well it doesn't compare.

And the holocausts were terrible but they weren't a four century affair of continuous suffering.

Even your people's brutality to themselves, at least there was a chance to fight it and a dignity in the struggle. To the black peoples there was no dignity. They were less than human. They were animals, or property to their masters. They would rape them and then blame the promiscuity of the black women. They would work them to death and then call them lazy. They would beat them in anger and then call them vicious. They would rape their women and then call them covetous. They would dehumanize them and then call themselves civilized.

Just because your people was enslaved doesn't mean it compares to what happened to black people. It's two different things we're talking about here.
Bullshit.

I wonder where you got your history from?

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