B0ycey wrote:Hate speech. The reason is you are making a false assumption on a race. Hate speech does not have to be aimed at a single person. It can be aimed at an entire race.
Its not a false assumption if God exists and this is what the Bible teaches. So wouldn't you be categorically disqualifying a religious interpretation and therefore also a propositional claim that must be verified as a either true or false, as automatically hate speech? Likewise, discussion of important questions, that include this, would be
ipso facto illegal under your use of the term.
B0ycey wrote:False religion is fine, morally wicked is not. False religion is an opinion that is not agressive, morally wicked is an opinion that is agressive as you are suggestion that whoever practices that religion is wicked.
What if it is true though? Assuming the moral standard by which the claim is made, is valid, it would not be an aggressive
ad-hominem, (per the definition provided by PoD) but a propositional claim that must be verified. For instance, secular utilititarianism would say that the religiously justified practice of forbidding abortion is wicked (immoral); Islam religiously justifies forbidding abortion, therefore Islam is wicked (this is a valid informal syllogism); thus, those who practice Islam,
insofar as they assent to this teaching, would by definition be wicked according to secular utilitarianism.
Should we ban secular utilitarian critiques of religion as hate speech?
What about the website "Evil Bible" that attacks Christianity as an evil religion, should it be banned? Under your position it seems that you would have to.
Likewise, some people would say that the belief in God is an immoral (and therefore a wicked) belief. Christopher Hitchens held this view and also argued that the doctrine of substitutional atonement, held by almost all Christians, was an incredibly wicked and immoral belief. Would you say that making that claim would likewise be hate speech under your position? and that critiquing the atonement in this way would be hate speech?
B0ycey wrote:Grey area. Depends on the context. If it is solely on race relations it is actually hate speech. If it is on an experience a specific race suffers from that someone who is white does not experience it is rude, but not hate speech.
The point was, if you disqualify, in all seriousness, the input of another person, solely on the basis of their skin color, is that hate speech? Is it?
B0ycey wrote:The words 'damnable sin' makes it hate speech as you are suggesting that it is a sin to practice homosexuality. Without those words in the sentence it would be an opinion.
That is actually my religious belief and the religious belief of pretty much all of Islam and all bible-affirming evangelicals. So would you say that it should be illegal for them to discuss their doctrinal positions?
Likewise, its not a direct
ad-hominem (an attack), its a propositional statement that must be verified. For instance, is it "true" that such is a damnable sin? Obviously atheists will say no (because they deny both damnation and sin), but Muslims and conservative Christians will say yes (because their scriptures teach such).
B0ycey wrote:Depends on the emphasis of the term 'queers' when it was being said. If you change the term to homosexual, no it wouldn't be hate speech.
No comedian is going to generalize with the bulky technical term: "homosexual," that would be like saying comedians can only make jokes about white people if they use the term "Caucasian."
Really?
How about instead of queer, they use the terms "Gays"?
Is that hate speech?
B0ycey wrote:In a comedic context, not hate speech.
Its interesting how I see a pattern emerging, no qualification if it disparages whites and Christians, but nuance must be carefully followed for all else? or when it is clearly racism if used against blacks, if used against whites we can apply nuance?
This why I insisted on definitions with PoD, because leftists are going to use "hate speech" to attack certain religious and ethnic groups for their views, while omitting others.
Christianity a false religion?....simple, no prob. joke about white boys?...simple, no prob. Islam is wicked...HATE SPEECH! ILLEGAL! joke about queers?...HATE SPEECH! ILLEGAL!