@Drlee
So let me see. We can't agree on whether or not men should be allowed to marry one another so we want to abolish marriage. That is just stupid.
You clearly misunderstood my argument.
'm not saying that we should abolish marriage, 'm saying we should allow it for everyone by socializing it instead of having it as a political or legal institution. Basically, the government not interfering what the people do in their own lives and everyone can marry who they want without needing government approval as long as it is under consent of both sides.
And considering that the financial and legal policies regarding marriage are simply stupid at best and damaging at worst, we should remove those.
Marriage is ingrained in our society. It is very popular. It has far more meaning than association legal conveniences.
And no one is saying it should be abolished, it simply shouldn't have governmental restrictions over it.
Men want to marry men and women want to marry women. They want this because of the commitment marriage solemnizes. They could have a lawyer draw up the legal benefits for less than the cost of a suit
And those can still be done between consenting couples who want to do such contract. But instead of having a standard one by the state that is in many case harmful to one of the sides if not both, it should be between people who want to engage in it to decide what should and should not be in it.
I am offended by the cavalier manner in which marriage is trivialized almost entirely by those who are not married.
who ?
I think we can drop the nonsense about abolishing marriage. It will not happen in any of our lifetimes. Not even close. We can also forget the utterly stupid nonsense about marrying animals and such. These are junior high school rants and nothing more. Logic is not a super power and it is meaningless without adding emotion to the equation.
Too late, marriage to animals is already legal in many countries including the US.
So I am still waiting for someone to tell me how they are negatively affected by same sex marriage.
I'm not sure if this is pointed at me or not, but i don't see where did i state 'm against it.
Infact, here is my first post in this matter;
I don't have a problem with gay marriage. I support full freedom in the marriage topic for people including homosexual marriage, polygamy for both genders and to all genders.
@Vlerchan
If that claim is coming from an study or report, I would appreciate it was sourced. I don't disagree that marriage quality affects children's outcomes but I'm not sure how someone would identify the good or bad releationships for the purpose of empirical research - and, thus, the purpose of supporting that claim.
Not sure if there is a study about this topic or not, didn't do a research on the psychological effects on children, but 'm speaking from a personal perspective based on my experience.
Nevertheless, I am not arguing against all divorces, or even divorce, period. I am fine with people being able to exit relationships. What I am arguing, just to restate the point, is that when the costs of exiting a relationship are higher, it creates an incentive for couples to work harder to sort out their problems. But, at the same time the current regime around divorce isn't so restrictive as to force couples who have insurmountable problems to remain together despite this - and I wouldn't support that sort of regime.
I agree, but what 'm saying is, those decisions should be put in people's hands not in government hands which could produce damage depending on which country and the basis of these legislations.
So, when its between people or more specifically the couples in hand, they decide what it should be suit them.
When marriage becomes a social institution and construct rather than a political and legal one, it makes these things more just and fair to the people involved.
And also it gives the overall benefits stated in previous posts to the community as whole by redirecting resources and getting more taxes from those who can afford it( the taxes) while either not changing or lowering taxes for those who cant afford such taxes.
Though, 'increasing awarness and education' is somewhat of a cop-out, do you have any specific suggestions that have been demonstrated to work consistently .
There already are classes for couples starting families on how to raise a family, and there are many private firms for helping couples solving any problems they have in their relations and consulting them on how to improve it.
We don't need to start anything new, just promote the already existing ones.
And these things spans all corners of a relationship and a family from helping with communications to even how to improve the sex-life of the couple.
But most people are usually hesitant to take these type of educational materials or seek consultancy.
Promoting them and making people more open to such things to improve their relationships and lives would help greatly in improving the quality of their relations and the quality of marriage they're in, and i would argue would reduce the rates of divorce and separation.
@Godstud
I don't think anyone is arguing that.