XogGyux wrote:Wow, what you are describing is truly the mother of all parental disappointment complex. Lets get this straight, God all powerful and all knowing, makes imperfect human but rather than make them worthy... he makes them very flawed... and it is not as if he doesnt "care" about the humans do... not at all, the total opposite, he cares a lot, he cares if you say bad words, if you dont believe in him, if you use the wrong type of material on your clothes, if you eat the wrong type of food if you like someone of the same gender... many many things, he does care... he could have made you worthy... he knows and he is powerful, but despite knowing that you would be a dissapointment and despite supposedly "caring" for what you do... he simply turns around and makes a flawed creation so that he can smite the crap out of people. Cool cool cool.
Man actually
makes himself imperfect via the exercise of his free will.What happened was that
man fell in the Garden of Eden via choosing to disobey God's law, and this resulted in the physical, mental, and spiritual corruption of man.
So, we are born with inclination to sin, and with minds that have been darkened by desire for sin. To some degree, our
free will has been compromised. This really creates a complicated set of circumstances.
But, it is incorrect to view
man as flawed, for all man
is made in imago dei, the image of God.
You can be like Christ, my friend, and you will one day be a good Christian if you maintain this interest in God! It's truly wonderful.
Now, you should not
confuse the Old Covenant ceremonial & purity laws with the Christian teachings. The Old Covenant has passed away. This does not mean that these laws
were immoral, but it is silly to think of those laws as
not being ceremonial laws. The wearing of cloth or abstaining from certain kinds of meat was done for keeping Israel an independent & differentiated people.
That is not what I proposed. The truth is I don't really care what you believe and I don't come to this forum to talk about religion. Most of the times i ignore the obvious troll threads. Sometimes they are so blattantly ironic that I cannot resist the urge to reply.
Oh, so you are comfortable
yelling at childrenbut when a man offers to be involved in a debate, you suddenly think it's not such a good idea?
OK, I kid, I kid, I know that you were not serious about either offer.
But if yuo do want to discuss this, I think that it would be great to put a voice to the name and I think that you can be a terrific Christian someday if you get a chance to really reflect on what you are talking about.
Don't give me that crap about "interpreting" the bible. This thing was not written by Leonardo davinci in mirror writing and encrypted in AES 256 bit.
Excuse the topology but it says what it says... and no amount of jewelry and silk and perfumes used to dress the pig will change the fact that it is a fxcking pig.
You know what is ideally done when you oppose a group?
- Read all of their important texts
- Read what all of their most important thinkers say about these texts
- Read the very best arguments that they have in response to the normal criticisms
Now, you construct your arguments against them
in response to the very best arguments made to normal crticiism, and around
criticizing the most popular & strongest arguments for their ideology that their best minds put together.This means that you skip the BS, and now you have your opponent
right in the heart of the actual battlefield, and now you can attempt to
really try to change their mind.Of course, we can't always do that.
But it is very clear that you are not even trying to do anything remotely like that.
So, you need to gain some focus, and try to actually debate a Christian on an actual battlefiedl...
What yuo are doing is throwing up a great plenty of arguments that CARM & GotAnswers have dozens of pages on, and stuff that St. Augustine or St. Maximos would have rolled their eyes at if they were brought up.