[litwin]

Iraqi, ex - refuge female Journalist made a joke on air about Ukrainian women arriving in Sweden as refugees

Joke ? Disgusting statement. Nothing funny about it. is This how she sees all non-Muslim women ?

[Puffer Fish]

Traditional Muslims (who are from the Middle East) do tend to view Western European women as whores. Which is understandable, considering the differences in culture.

In traditional Middle Eastern culture, if a woman visits a man (who is not her relative) alone, it is assumed she is going to have sex with him. If a woman wears a bikini in public, she is a whore. If a woman goes to a bar and drinks alcohol with strange men present at the bar, it is assumed she is a slut and wants to sleep with men. Of course it is common in Western European culture for women to do things that go further than this.

Women in countries like the Netherlands and Sweden are especially notorious among Muslims for being whores.

And it's certainly known that a lot of whores in Europe do come from Russia and Ukraine. Women from poorer countries looking to get money by selling their bodies, and Russian and Ukrainian women are white, desirable, and known for being beautiful. Ukraine is known for being more sexually progressive than Russia.

To a typical Muslim in the migrant community in Sweden, this joke probably would be funny.

I'm sure the Muslim migrants probably feel a slight uneasiness and resentfulness that there was some backlash against them, while now big numbers of Ukrainian migrants are coming, and simply because of their appearance the new migrants are mostly going unnoticed.

[Rich]

Traditional Muslims (who are from the Middle East) do tend to view Western European women as whores. Which is understandable, considering the differences in culture.

In traditional Middle Eastern culture, if a woman visits a man (who is not her relative) alone, it is assumed she is going to have sex with him. If a woman wears a bikini in public, she is a whore. If a woman goes to a bar and drinks alcohol with strange men present at the bar, it is assumed she is a slut and wants to sleep with men. Of course it is common in Western European culture for women to do things that go further than this.

Women in countries like the Netherlands and Sweden are especially notorious among Muslims for being whores.

What does the Liberal, what does the leftie see when they look at Islam? I'm leaving aside the completely moronic, the completely ignorant Liberal lefties here. Probably the first thing he sees is the architecture and decoration. That's stylish, that looks modern, says the liberal, so much better than that gawdy Catholic / Hindu stuff. if he's a more philosophical type he may be aware of the Islamic unity of God, so much more scientific, so much more rational, than that childish Christian and Hindu mythologies. Most Liberals have heard of the great contributions of the Muslims to mathematics and science, helping backwards Christian Europe out of their dark ages.

The leftie sees Muslim views on women and homosexuality as incidental to this wonderfully superior Muslim religion and culture. And anyway if a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of Muslims have some slight reactionary views on women, that's all the fault of evil White Imperialists.

The truth is that the Muslim's generally hideous views on women are absolutely fundamental to his religion. All attempts to establish a feminist Islam have failed and will fail. That is why secular Arab nationalism had been such a pathetic joke and is why the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Al Qaeda and Islamic State have been so successful. We saw the same result from the Liberals attempt to create a new Muslim Switzerland in the Hindu Kush.

[Puffer Fish]

Most Liberals have heard of the great contributions of the Muslims to mathematics and science, helping backwards Christian Europe out of their dark ages.

Most people do not realise that's putting a deceptively rosy spin on things.
Not mentioning that Muslims WERE the reason that Christian Europe got sent into the dark ages. (At least all around the Mediterranean, where European culture was centered at the time)
Islamic state-sanctioned piracy, ransoms, slave taking, and creating a bottleneck on trade to Europe.

[Verv]

LOL it is a hilarious joke, though...

I have heard you say really disparaging and terrible things about Russians very frequently @litwin , and I get the impression you do not do so to make even a light-hearted joke but out of a sincere dislike of Russians...

What's the difference?

Other than, you know, that she may have made these sort of jokes infrequently and with zero malice, just hittin' the punchline hard.

BTW forgive me if you are actually not intending to be so offensive about Russians.

[MadMonk]

Most people do not realise that's putting a deceptively rosy spin on things.
Not mentioning that Muslims WERE the reason that Christian Europe got sent into the dark ages. (At least all around the Mediterranean, where European culture was centered at the time)
Islamic state-sanctioned piracy, ransoms, slave taking, and creating a bottleneck on trade to Europe.

No, the Islamic Caliphates were not the reason for Europe's Dark Ages (5th-10th centuries A.D or 5th-15th centuries A.D, depending on how you define it). The official starting point was the fall of the western Roman Empire, set in 476 A.D by northern barbarians. Islam won't exist for another 150 years or so.

The bottleneck on trade with Asia, as well as the many wars and diseases that plagued Europe in the late Middle Ages, actually benefited the European Empires immensely. They forced innovation and, in the next several centuries, Europe went from a backwater place to the center of the world. But just like the Roman Empire, everything that goes up must eventually come down.

[ingliz]

@litwin

Surely with all the unfunny shite you post about Russia, you will allow an Arab woman to make an off-colour joke about Ukranian prostitutes in Sweden.

A Swedish police operation that swept up 38 men visiting prostitutes found that 30 of them had paid to sleep with exploited Ukrainian women.

— Daily Mail 12 Apr 2022

[Rich]

A Swedish police operation that swept up 38 men visiting prostitutes found that 30 of them had paid to sleep with exploited Ukrainian women.

The exploitation of these women by criminal scum is terrible. The answer is simple. There needs to be a massive relaxation of our immigration rules for good looking young women without dependents.

[Rugoz]

Traditional Muslims (who are from the Middle East) do tend to view Western European women as whores. Which is understandable, considering the differences in culture.

What makes a woman a "whore" is not having multiple sexual partners, but offering sex for money.

Hence traditional marriage, in particular if arranged, is nothing but prostitution on huge scale.

[litwin]

@litwin

Surely with all the unfunny shite you post about Russia, you will allow an Arab woman to make an off-colour joke about Ukranian prostitutes in Sweden.

A Swedish police operation that swept up 38 men visiting prostitutes found that 30 of them had paid to sleep with exploited Ukrainian women.

— Daily Mail 12 Apr 2022

meanwhile in Moscow - Mongol ulus:
Muscovite he- whores

and
Iraq’s former defense minister, who holds dual Iraqi-Swedish citizenship, has been arrested in Sweden, authorities said Tuesday. He is suspected of illegally receiving benefits in the Scandinavian country.

Prosecutor Jens Nilsson told Swedish broadcaster SVT that Najah al-Shammari has been wanted for almost a year and a half. The prosecutor told broadcaster TV4 that al-Shammari was arrested on Monday at the Stockholm airport by upon arrival in Sweden.

Swedish media earlier have said that al-Shammari claimed child and housing support for years — despite living in Baghdad.

[Rich]

What makes a woman a "whore" is not having multiple sexual partners, but offering sex for money.

Hence traditional marriage, in particular if arranged, is nothing but prostitution on huge scale.

What you're essentially saying here is that Muslim values are incompatible with the modern liberal values of decent people. So in the West we are still in the process of transitioning from traditional Christian morality to a modern sexual morality, based on an economy where the importance of physical strength is much reduced. It is still not clear, exactly where we will end up. Will polyamory continue to grow, or will it prove to be a fashion and return to being a niche preference.

Most of the Muslim world is in an earlier stage of the process of transitioning from traditional Muslim moralities to the modern one. These transitions are incredibly fraut, difficult, disruptive and painful. Mix them all up with multi culturism and you create an absolute nightmare. We saw in Ireland how the Protestant / Catholic mulit culturism heavily delayed the made the transition more difficult amongst both cultures.