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In order to further set the intent of this blog I will be reposting, a somewhat edited version of "Demo's Grand Theory of Everything" here in this space before proceding on with further articles of interest to me. (The link to this is available in its entiredy in the first entry).

This week I shall tackle my views on Mandatory National Service. Though in the past Mandatory National Service has simply meant Conscription to the nation's military, I envision something broader that focuses on bringing all of us together as we work for one another, and those in other nations. Probably a highly idealistic program with an outcome that frankly would only work with the right people in charge simply because the potential is there for this to become just another meaningless program drunk on its own beaurocracy. I don't have the space to detail the steps necessary to avoid such beaurocratic nightmares, but perhaps one can read the proposal and understand the intent to run a "clean" ship.

One further note is that high school diplomas would be required of all pre-citizens to participate in any of these branches, save the military.

Mandatory National Service

I know, a whole lotta leftisits hate this idea. But fear not! This more inclusive type of government service is not based soley on military service, though that is an option. There are no exceptions to this requirement, and you are considered a citizen with full voting rights and privleges (Which will be explained in full later, assume I take a Heinlien-esque stance for now) once you have completed your two year term. The program is completely non-discriminatory as all races, sexes, creeds, and social statuses will comply. The only possible exceptions are those with physical or mental limitations, but even these people shall be required to serve and exceptions shall be handled within the branch they choose to serve.

Participants would live in community housing with one another and would be "deployed" at the beginning of each day to their assignments. Various physical activites would be a part of each program's daily routine. All branches would receive training relevant to their specialization prior to being deployed on any actual assignment. Pre-citizens, as those who have yet to serve shall be called, would earn ranks as they progress through their choosen program. With each rank gaining various privledges. Competition among pre-citizens would be encouraged within their various fields of study/work. Immigrants would be expected, regardless of age, to participate prior to earning resident status, yet successful completion would also guarentee them citizenship.

There would be four branches to choose from:
1) Military: Which is self explanatory. Pre-citizens may choose any of the standing branches they will serve in, or test into, depending on requirements. US Army, US Navy, USAF, US Marine Corp, US Coast Guard

2) Non-military Domestic service: Essentially an expansion of Americorp Americorp as president Obama has expressed a desire to do, though perhaps I am even proposing a plan beyond his scope. Pre-citizens will work hand in hand with businesses and would likely do anything from road work and public clean up to interning with public service agencies and other non-profits.

3) Foreign Service: An expansion of the peace corp. Pre-citizens would go to foreign nations, and render aid to the poorest of the poor. Work would include every aspect of the peace corp's current mission. Peace Corp Some training in the local customs and laws would be included. You would serve one year in one country and your second year in another. The most likely destinations are in South America and Africa.

4) Science Corp: This specially designed unit would operate in similar fashion to the others and would partner with private business and other organizations that are technically part of the military, like NASA, to train the young in hard sciences and prepare them for more extensive education in four year colleges (and beyond). With the right kind of program, the participants in this division might even receive a number of college credits in a choosen field. For the time being, the focus of the Science Corp would be in one of four very broad fields, which also may be choosen by the participant: Energy, Medical, Exploration, and Theoretical. Again, tests of appitude may be required. This should be seen in a way, as the lone exemption field, in fact if not in essence. Essentially I am saying, you will complete a two year term of service UNLESS you elect to serve in the Science Corp, where you will essentially just be getting a jumpstart on your college career. Participants in this Corp will still earn their citizenship just as anyone else would. The intent of the inclusion of such an unorthodox branch of service is simply the recognition that technology has always determined a civilization's ultimate long term success. That the US has fallen so far behind the rest of the western world is inexcusable.

There is further intent included in this provision. The first is a building of ties to the nation we all live in. As Mandatory National Service shall be required of all citizens, it is hoped that the connections forged within shall create opportunities where none existed before. By meeting and interacting with one another and the public in some way, it is thought that these networks shall proivde dividends later in life.

The specific training that would be provided to all the pre-citizens in their choosen branch of service would also set the ground work for higher education or help lead them to greater specialization down the road, making them more marketable. Should the pre-citizen choose not to continue in their given field, they would still possess the necessary skills for entry level work in the private sector, where nothing as widely available as this exists today.

Those in service shall recieve a modest stipend that would increase with rank, though their labor would be intended to help the program pay for itself in order to offset the likely high cost of implementation. This aspect may seem somewhat...unfair to some, and may seem like some sort of short term slavery, it is not intended thusly. If one takes the opinion that one's labor in the program is provided as in investment on the individual's part then surely the resulting opportunity that would develop as a result of participation provides a healthy return.

The over all intent of the program is to help the individual while also helping the nation. Let's also not forget the potential for crime reduction in two major ways: Education (The best crime prevention method), and the forging of ties to other demograhics (A more indirect method).

Discuss the issue here
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By NYYS
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Strongly disagree, the last employer I would want to have is the government.

It could be a decent idea if it was voluntary. Perhaps we could scale back some social security programs for the poor but instead grant them easier access to these programs, so they can develop real skills rather than simply having things handed to them.
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By Demosthenes
#1815128
I would agree to that if it included corporate America, the people who vastly overuse the "social security" program far and away more than any poor bastard ever does.
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By Dan
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I like the idea, except I wouldn't make it mandatory; I would make it voluntary and make two classes of citizens, who were equal in all respects except those who had taken their national service (I would prefer it named national service rather than government service, as it should focus on serving the country, rather than the bureaucracy, but that's semantics) would be the only ones able to vote or hold public office.

I would also make it unpaid, with only room & board, food, basic entertainment, and such being provided. Although, their should be (financial) credit towards college, university, or vocational.
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By Demosthenes
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Actually you're probably right about renaming it to include "National" as opposed to Government. It is a necessary distinction, and more or less was my intention.
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By Kiroff
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I'm a leftist and I'm not against government service. Protecting your country by serving in the military just like everyone else is a foundation of democracy - every citizen has the choice to take a political position because he is able to defend it with more powerful arguments than just words in case it is attacked. If whiners don't want to do it, that's their problem that they'll have to deal with. Otherwise the military is just filled with nationalists and hardcore commies who were unable to get a job elsewhere. It wouldn't work in America today however because international capitalism and national (as in inside one nation) democracy are not convergent concepts and the interests of capital are now almost completely divorced from the interest of the nation.
By Average Voter
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It sounds basically like tax, where instead of paying with money you pay with time instead. It may be less efficient, but may be better accepted by those who do not like high taxes.

Military - The military is a department whose use of it rarely satisfies the people, so there should be no deployment of the people undergoing their mandatory service until their time is up, in which they would choose to stay or leave.

Domestic service - Sounds good, although people should be able to pay somebody else to undergo the service for them(and everything else in this list). There would be no difference.

Foreign service - Sounds interesting, although the nation would likely disagree with this. People are earning their citizenship in the nations country, not a foreign country.

Science Corp - it incorrectly assumes that technological knowledge is more important than knowledge of non-technological subjects. The government saying it is does not make it true.

It seems to require a government monopoly, and not everybody wants to be forced to worship an involuntary government. It assumes that the government is above the people, and that people earn themselves to be under it, when in fact a number of people would rather have a government to be under them. It would be easier to study if a nation was divided into several self-governing parts. If one part chose to experiment with this, then that allows a nation to see if the "competing" states would find appeal in it or not. It would allow for statistics, test scores, and numbers to be compared. It would show if people under such a system increase their voluntary community service in the future or not. Otherwise it seems that if such an experiment proves to be a failure, it would be almost impossible for a nation to let go of it.
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By Demosthenes
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Kiroff wrote:international capitalism and national (as in inside one nation) democracy are not convergent concepts and the interests of capital are now almost completely divorced from the interest of the nation.


Dah-mn...unfortunately I agree, my plans are all idealistic, but I will attempt to the break the backs of the corporate monopolies in a later entry.

AverageVoter wrote:It sounds basically like tax, where instead of paying with money you pay with time instead.


Libertarians aren't going to agree with me very often. I'm waiting for the "force" arguement to be applied sooner or later.
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By U184
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Dan, I agree with every dam word.

I not only agree but would go further and say 11th and 12 grade in Military School or other like educational Institution and THEN 2 years of mandatory service.

Then all the people will be getting the same shake as everyone else and we ensure a well educated civilian.

At the very least the truly poor have a chance to become more then their options may allow and the rich brats may learn a bit about responsibility and self accomplishment.
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By Demosthenes
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KFlint wrote:Dan, I agree with every dam word.


Thanks, but I'm Demo.

KFlint wrote:At the very least the truly poor have a chance to become more then their options may allow and the rich brats may learn a bit about responsibility and self accomplishment.


Quite.
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By FallenRaptor
#1816517
I'm also a leftist and I'm in favor of something similar.

A very old demand of socialists is to abolish the standing military & police and replace them with a universal militia that would conscript every capable worker, making the working class the state itself. Personally, I don't think we can have the luxury of immediately abolishing the standing military anymore, but I would ideally like to see the militia system implemented(in a socialist workers' republic, of course, not under our current state).
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By Kiroff
#1817723
Lol reminds me of this little poster:

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(When you) Need to work / (Keep your) rifle nearby.
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By QatzelOk
#1818264
I like the idea a lot, but only if it's more regional or even communitarian.

The United States isn't really a community so much as it is an empire, so giving your "services" to it won't necessarily help anyone.

On the other hand, if New Orleans had its own municipal volunteer corp... Or if Lousiana had...

And I think it should be mandatory for anyone wanting to attend post-secondary education (for a skill or a degree), voluntary for anyone who doesn't.

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