Pants-of-dog wrote:You seem to be making two contradicting claims: that Trump is in conflict with a press that hates him, and that Trump is manipulating the press to do what he wants.
Which is it? It cannot be both.
I think colliric has a very solid rebuttal to your construct. Trump is using them, because he has deconstructed political correctness; and, they have not realized that their "formula" doesn't work on him. Look how easy it was to flummox Jeb Bush on the Planned Parenthood stuff. You can't go along with political correctness and win as a conservative. The whole point is to prevent the conservative from winning. So Trump simply refuses to play the game. When they throw a hissy fit, he gets free press. He's been playing this game the whole time, because he knows that their minds are accustomed to political correctness. He's predicting their next move.
anarchist23 wrote:Trump is a serial liar. It's not acceptable for the president to continually lie and it seems that it is only a matter of time before he has to resign but alas he will probably have to be pushed out of office.
Don't you think this is a bit naive? ALL politicians lie. That's a big part of what they do. The question is who are they lying to, and who is getting the shaft? "Read my lips, no new taxes." That was George H.W. Bush's lie, and it cost him the White House. "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period." That was the first stanza of Obama's lie, but he staggered implementation of ObamaCare so that he didn't pay the political consequences of it himself. The problem now is that the Democratic Party has paid the political consequences. It's still vastly unpopular. However, the idea that a politician telling lies is going force them to have to resign is a bit much. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Really? He got prosecuted and disbarred, but he didn't have to leave office prematurely.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Then the media is not actually in conflict with Trump.
That's like saying Assad is not actually in conflict with ISIS. The media coordinates its narrative with the DNC and left wing activist groups. They have been doing this for a long time. It has angered conservatives for a long time and turned them against Republicans who do nothing about it. Wikileaks exposed it clear as day. The problem for them is one of ratings needed to get their advertising dollars, which Trump provides; and, using the ratings to trash Trump, which causes him to call them "fake news."
colliric wrote:No they are still in conflict. It's just chess-style conflict. He is using them to orchestrate his next election win, while they are simultaneously trying to sabotage it.
Ever played a game of chess where you know the other player is forcing you to make certain moves and lose all your pieces? Can be frustrating.
Trump understands media and ratings well. No coverage is bad coverage. It's not about approval, it's about ratings.
One Degree wrote:Yet he outsmarted both the Republican and Democratic parties all the way to the White House.
That is the amazing thing about this. They still can't believe it. The power of money actually is what is taking the big hit. Trump showed you could win against absolutely superior financial firepower and still prevail. However, he exposed their formula and laid it bare and now it's just a worthless talisman. Political correctness was their lucky rabbit foot for so long, and it's lost its charm.
quetzlcoatl wrote:This includes, but is not limited to, an independent judiciary, a non-government controlled press, civilian control of the military, the legitimacy of the electoral process, and most of all the the loyal opposition.
Laying all of that at Trump's feet is a bit rich. The judiciary should be indpendent, but it should be checked by Congress, who rarely ever impeaches a judge when they should be impeached more regularly. The press is in bed with the Democratic party and NGOs to a signficant degree, and the government buys a lot from them in terms of paid propaganda, overt and covert. So how independent really is CNN? If you want independent journalism, you're looking at much smaller outlets. Mark Dice isn't controlled by the government, but he's not much of a journalist either. Trump is a civilian, and he is in control of the military. As far as trashing the electoral process, the so-called independent press is doing that now at the behest of the Democratic Party insinuating that "Russia hacked the election" when they know that Russia did not tamper with ballots, ballot counting machines or the vote count at all. They are destroying their own credibility. What Wikileaks revealed was the coordination of what we always suspected was going on. Now we know that the Flynn piece was a coordinated attack between DNC holdovers and the media. There really is no doubt about this stuff anymore.
I mean, I knew it back in 2004 when Dan Rather colluded with his producer to create a fake letter about Bush's military service. Except, they used a word processor with a font that wasn't in existence on the typewriters of the day. It was an obvious fake and ended Dan Rather's career rather than Bush's. It's good to see Trump attacking them. They richly deserve it.
"We have put together the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics."
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