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Oxford Union debate about liberty and security, sacrificing one for the other in the 'fight against terrorism'. It's quaint and short, but not really substantive. The elephant in the room was immigration and imported terrorism, which were only superficially touched upon by Avril Haines (CIA/Security advisor Obama) in a 'don't you dare' sort of way. :lol:

The last one by the French minister of interior was really the cherry on top, where he argued that it was necessary by listing the reasons why it was necessary: the 'terror incidents' and 'prevented terror attacks'. Not mentioning their disastrous immigration platform, which he in part was responsible for, given his socialist party.

The ACLU director was terrible by the way. Basically what you would expect from a diversity checkbox director. Seriously, bad. :lol:

1. Student.

2. Opposition student.

3. Anthony D. Romero is the executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union.

4. Avril Danica Haines (born August 29, 1969) was the first female White House Deputy National Security Advisor, serving in Barack Obama's administration.

5. Jeh Charles Johnson is an American lawyer and retired government official who served as the fourth United States Secretary of Homeland Security 2013 to 2017.

6. Bernard Cazeneuve is a French politician and lawyer who served as Prime Minister of France from December 2016 to May 2017.

Haven't watched it but I bet everyone pretends like mass surveillance and the legislated abridgements of civil rights are genuinely intended to prevent terrorism.
That's another point, which should indicate that these 'future leaders' and establishment figures are pandering to each other in order to not rustle any feathers, which might injure their standing and/or future career prospects. The Overton window is well-established here.
It's not like any of those respectable types actually give a shit about the issue, they really just want to play the game. Those who are more concerned with principles and reality than playing the game don't get very far in their world.
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