colliric wrote:But that's only if one slavishly interprets the verse with the Animals outside and does not consider that Israel is a warmer country. It is mainly predicated on that verse. You can elaborate if you wish to, I will read it.
Herod dying in 4BC has been strongly disputed recently. The Wikipedia page reflects this:
It lists 4BCE(4BC) and 1CE(1AD) as two possible death dates, with alot of scholars now supporting the traditional date again instead of the 4BCE date. So that is in fact not known. We thought it was for a while clear, but newer archeological developments, such as the discovery of his possible tomb threw it back into doubt.
Even this Wikipedia says King Herod was seriously ill in 5 BC uses 4 BC as King Herod's death with his last actions of changing his will also in 4 BC, but not completing it so that the title of kingship was not given to either of his sons. So the totality of the evidence still points to 4 BC as the year of his death.
How cold it was in Israel in December is not the main issue. But that during the lambing season in the Spring is when the shepherds would be out watching over their flock by night to preserve the newborn. Remember also that John the Baptist referred to Jesus as the lamb of God. But also Luke, who stated that he had checked everything out thoroughly, stated the following:
Now His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. And when He became twelve, they went up there according to the custom of the Feast;
(Luke 2:41-42 NASB)
Notice that I highlighted the word "became" because that is important. I checked "The Interlinear Bible" and "The Analytical Greek Lexicon" and determined that "became" is the correct translation of the Greek word in that sentence. I also discovered that Greek word was from the root word that means "to come into existence, to be born. Jesus "became" 12 years of age on his birthday just like everyone else. And according to that scripture it was at the time they went to Jerusalem for the Passover feast, which is always in the Spring.
It seems fitting to me that just as Jesus was sacrificed as our Passover lamb that He was also born to be our Passover lamb or Savior as Luke puts it.
In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened. But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
(Luke 2:8-11 NASB)
Isaiah prophesied of Christ long before His birth, saying that the Messiah would be “brought as a lamb to the slaughter” (Isaiah 53:7).
See the following article
https://opentheword.org/2015/04/04/jesu ... over-lamb/
Why did an angel announce the birth of Christ to a group of shepherds and no one else?
Traditionally, shepherds were in the fields in large numbers during lambing. They were there to protect the ewes during this vulnerable time and to ensure a safe delivery.
Their appearance suggests Jesus was born during spring lambing.
Godstud wrote:Why does an all-forgiving and merciful god care about sin? If he's all-forgiving, sin is irrelevant. He created a flawed and imperfect being and then is mad at them for their flaws. DUMB!
God did not create anything flawed. Both the angel Lucifer and Adam became flawed after their creation.
- Albert Einstein