[Stormsmith]

Ah, the economy! The one thing of Obama's that Trump hasn't tried to get rid

[Nonsense]

#14899796

"Politicians are afraid of people with guns. That's how we like it in America".

The above may be so, BUT, 'YOU' the people, are still 'shafted' by the politicians one way or another.

The basic 'problem' with 'democracy' is that politicians have created a legal construct that you call 'Internal Revenue Service', that enables them to 'shaft' you legally for your money-without the use of any firearm.

It's a 'non-circular' system setup, that does not in any way whatsoever return the money back to the people(ONLY businesses-the politicians 'friend')save for Welfare, Medic-Aid or any other job-creation scheme wheeze they can think of.

That's why citizens become powerless, business & the state all powerful.

With a criminal, they may use guns to rob you 'illegally', the system in return 'legally' possesses weapons to counter that lawlessness.
At the end of the day, who do you feel more resentful toward, the criminal who may or may not use his gun on you, in return for 'petty change', or a government monopoly business that extracts your cash 'legally' & leaves you in penury all your life?

I think that when you consider it in the round, American gun lobby advocates, as well as their supporters are whistling in the wind, albeit a wind that consist of innocent people's blood with a whole lot of family & public grief within over their 'right's' to 'bear' arms.

[Godstud]

#triggered
I'll take the economy and policy and you can go with your fake hyperbolic identity politics and let's see who comes out on top .

What? You don't like tit for tat? How was I wrong? You don't like it when people punch back, do you. I didn't hurt your feelings, did I?

Don't enter a gun fight with a knife next time.

[Finfinder]

Ah, the economy! The one thing of Obama's that Trump hasn't tried to get rid

If that was supposed to be a joke or funny it really makes no sense, in general or as a reply to what I posted. It does make sense in how empty the lefts argument are in the USA.

[Godstud]

Judging by how you reacted to that argument, the right is firing blanks.

[Finfinder]

What? You don't like tit for tat? How was I wrong? You don't like it when people punch back, do you. I didn't hurt your feelings, did I?

Don't enter a gun fight with a knife next time.

Breaking News!!! Godstud claims he is a troll . WOW I didn't realize.

I'm waiting with baited breath your next angry profane reply. Request: Please can you be original this time. #TriggeredGodstud. Maybe you should ask some 14 year olds and hookers what reply would work best.

[Godstud]

Aww I did hurt your fee-fees. It's OK, Finfinder. You can go find a safe space any time. I guess you don't like when people respond to your nonsense. Maybe you should stop with the insults , as they are a rule 2 violation, and exceedingly childish.

@Global moderators Please note: "Maybe you should ask some 14 year olds and hookers what reply would work best." - Finfinder.

[Finfinder]

Aww I did hurt your fee-fees. It's OK, Finfinder. You can go find a safe space any time. I guess you don't like when people respond to your nonsense.

Not at all you are a virtual punching bag it's fun, like shooting fish in a barrel. It's like debating with a 12 year old, you know the ones you leftist admire for social justice and political policy. Twelve year old's and porn stars that is.

[Hong Wu]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/o ... DEFB11AA3F

I found the sentiments expressed in this article appalling. To be fair, it was written by a child. So it's a similar issue as to the OP. Do western leftists agree with these sentiments? Do they not find any of this embarrassing?

To recap, the girl says that no amount of friendship or better treatment could have steered Nicholas Cruz down a better path. Her evidence for this is that he once threw an apple at her, and she tried to befriend him when she was assigned to do "peer counseling" with him for one session.

I'm not sure that a peer counseling session counts as trying to befriend someone, is my first thought. Second, you'd think that a young boy would need male friends, not a female friend. Third and most seriously, I don't think anything expressed in this article is proof that nothing could have prevented the event, or comes close to that. That leftists are apparently publishing things like this in seriousness is shocking to me. And the sentiments expressed here seem to be on the same level of sophistication as what was being stated in that children's march which was organized and funded by adults.

Noemon Edit: Rule 3

[Godstud]

Noemon Edit: Rule 3

That's what level you right wingers like to keep it at. It's your call. You want to keep it civil then grow the fuck up, and stop posting like that. People like Finfinder want to keep it at childishly toilet insult level, and you're fine to egg him on, and then complain when someone rebukes your idiocy. Suck it up, or stop.

This discussion was about youths of America standing up for rights, and the right wing-nuts of pofo just want to drag it into the dirt, because they can't have a solid argument for why they are wrong.

I'll treat you like adults when you start acting like them.

[Finfinder]

I heard the Democrats want to lower the age to be President to 16. Maybe they can get more voter registrants.

[Hong Wu]

Here's how I view the past couple weeks. Adults gave children a platform, which they used to literally scream incriminations into a microphone and one vomited on stage. Then, most of the left talks about how articulate and brave the children were. This is on the heels of an Obama policy to not punish young criminals because it might disrupt their lives, this having allowed the attacker to cross certain lines that otherwise might have gotten him imprisoned or his weapons confiscated.

To think that all of this is a good idea, or even more absurdly, that it's conservative (we all know who I'm referring to there), I believe you would have to literally be insane.

[Godstud]

The children are merely taking a stand which adults are afraid to, because of recriminations. That people are intimidated by children doing this, is exactly what's happening on the right. Young people have done more to bring attention to this issue than anyone in the last 20 years. You'd think things like Sandy Hook would have gotten Congress, etc. moving, but no... The adults(Senators, Congressmen, etc.) are firmly in the pockets of the NRA and other money-making gun lobbyists.

The President still needs to be a minimum 35 years old, but when the youth starts to vote, emotional nonsense arguments(not based in reality) become the rule, right?

[One Degree]

The children are merely taking a stand which adults are afraid to, because of recriminations. That people are intimidated by children doing this, is exactly what's happening on the right. Young people have done more to bring attention to this issue than anyone in the last 20 years. You'd think things like Sandy Hook would have gotten Congress, etc. moving, but no... The adults(Senators, Congressmen, etc.) are firmly in the pockets of the NRA and other money-making gun lobbyists.

The President still needs to be a minimum 35 years old, but when the youth starts to vote, emotional nonsense arguments(not based in reality) become the rule, right?

The problem is it is very easy to get children to take s stand on anything. Their stand is meaningless because it is choreographed by adults with an agenda.

[Godstud]

The youth rallies against gun violence are not "choreographed" by adults. That's an idiotic argument and it doesn't make their stand any less important. Children are dying in school shootings because assholes don't want to change gun laws because they think gun rights are more important than the rights of children to life.

The "agenda" is no less important simply because the children have taken it up. Your argument is inane.

[4cal]

Here's how I view the past couple weeks. Adults gave children a platform, which they used to literally scream incriminations into a microphone and one vomited on stage. Then, most of the left talks about how articulate and brave the children were. This is on the heels of an Obama policy to not punish young criminals because it might disrupt their lives, this having allowed the attacker to cross certain lines that otherwise might have gotten him imprisoned or his weapons confiscated.

To think that all of this is a good idea, or even more absurdly, that it's conservative (we all know who I'm referring to there), I believe you would have to literally be insane.

Anything that highlights our problem with guns is a net plus.

I, for one, am happy and somewhat shocked that the Trumplings here have not parroted the same garbage blaming movies and video games. I didn’t know you guys had it in you.

That the Adults have any standing to criticize kids is humorous. Adults have put us 21T in debt (from both parties), embroiled us in a war in Afghanistan long enough that it is almost to the point to where new recruits were not born when we invaded, created an economy where the wages of the average Americans are frozen, and more concerningly to me, the system of scoring that is not only worthless, it reports almost a different story than the situation on the ground (i.e. those who are no longer looking for work are not counted in the unemployment rate (again both parties).

Time will tell if the activism goes anywhere. In the meantime, we should all remember the old Christian parable:

When you die you will go to the pearly gates and see St. Peter.

“Will you please let me in” you will say.

“Sure” St. Peter will say, “But first, you will have to let me look at your scars…”

“But, St. Peter, I have no scars to show….”

“Was there nothing worth fighting for?” he asks.


Hopefully the kids will keep that in mind as they confront those who would stand opposed.

[4cal]

The youth rallies against gun violence are not "choreographed" by adults. That's an idiotic argument and it doesn't make their stand any less important. Children are dying in school shootings because assholes don't want to change gun laws because they think gun rights are more important than the rights of children to life.

The "agenda" is no less important simply because the children have taken it up. Your argument is inane.

If not “choreographed” what term would you use?

[Godstud]

Encouraged. Emboldened.

[Albert]

How would you term youth rallies against immigration of non-whites?

[Godstud]

Against the immigration of non-whites? Racist, obviously. You bring in skin-colour into the equation, instead of just saying, immigrants. Being against immigration is one thing, but as soon you have to specify skin colour(i.e. race), then you are no longer anything but racist.