- 23 Oct 2014 03:33
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In response of some of the posts I see here. A lot of western liberals never seem to understand that a liberal China is not possible, nor desirable, ever. I would even go far enough to explain that I support the current Chinese government. Let me explain:
1. Population is way too big (14 Billion, more than the entire US+Europe+Russia, hello), and way too diverse (Han + 55 ethnicity, every province has a vastly different culture). You can't get everybody to even remotely agree on anything.
2. If you want it liberalized, you will need to fracture it first. And a fractured China is a weak China. If China is fractured, the first thing to happen is that CIA and NED will get busy making everyone fight each other.
3. A centralized China also means a rich and powerful central government, who needs that for national defense and infrastructure developments. I lived my life 25 years in Hong Kong and Australia before I went inside China myself. Everything I hear outside the Chinese borders are bashing and bashing and bashing. Inside China is where I can see how much the "evil communist government" has accomplished for the country. And none of their achievements are possible without this money and power.
4. Every social problem that I hear outside China or has ever known of, is actually being tackled here in a very serious and ferocious manner. Every year there are very significant improvements that you can see, clear as daylight. I never felt this kind of energy in Hong Kong nor Australia nor anywhere on the world. All I see is "democratic governments" argue all day long on all possible topics, then the next party wins the election and does the same (nothing) altogether again. In the liberal world everybody bitches all day long and does nothing, while the Chinese shut the fuck up and just do it.
5. No freedoms, you say? I don't see how this is more important than feeding the population and holding it together, but hey, lets talk about it since you guys care so much. There are less POLITICAL freedoms, sure (Which is already opening a lot, by the way). But you are free to make suggestions to the government, even bash it a bit. Newspapers here criticize government policies all the time, and citizens' voice reaches the government pretty quickly, which actually gets acted on. Sure, the communication channels are pretty informal and left much to desire, and the government is working on that. Improvements seen every year. Can you say the same with your own governments, on responsiveness?
6. Sure, the Communists fucked up big times in the cultural revolution, but they grew out of that. The world still seemed to still equate China to "evil regime", but in fact most of the Chinese here supports the government and is optimist for the future. Comparing to the decline of the democratic west and developments of countries that has "the correct system" imposed on them, the liberal position is becoming less and less desirable to us, barring the few young university idealists.
7. Living standards haven't yet caught up to the west by far but is slowly closing. The west, has after all, plundered hundreds of countries to enrich a much smaller population. Of cause they can afford nice social benefits for everyone! US, for instance, inherited the goddamn British empire, won 2nd world war, cold war and hold the world economy hostage. And despite that we are actually catching up. Now you want us to redo our political system, "because freedom"?
I invite everybody to criticize China as you always do - that helps us discover our problems, but please look at the improvements as well, for a change. China is no longer simply the backwater slave factory before.
1. Population is way too big (14 Billion, more than the entire US+Europe+Russia, hello), and way too diverse (Han + 55 ethnicity, every province has a vastly different culture). You can't get everybody to even remotely agree on anything.
2. If you want it liberalized, you will need to fracture it first. And a fractured China is a weak China. If China is fractured, the first thing to happen is that CIA and NED will get busy making everyone fight each other.
3. A centralized China also means a rich and powerful central government, who needs that for national defense and infrastructure developments. I lived my life 25 years in Hong Kong and Australia before I went inside China myself. Everything I hear outside the Chinese borders are bashing and bashing and bashing. Inside China is where I can see how much the "evil communist government" has accomplished for the country. And none of their achievements are possible without this money and power.
4. Every social problem that I hear outside China or has ever known of, is actually being tackled here in a very serious and ferocious manner. Every year there are very significant improvements that you can see, clear as daylight. I never felt this kind of energy in Hong Kong nor Australia nor anywhere on the world. All I see is "democratic governments" argue all day long on all possible topics, then the next party wins the election and does the same (nothing) altogether again. In the liberal world everybody bitches all day long and does nothing, while the Chinese shut the fuck up and just do it.
5. No freedoms, you say? I don't see how this is more important than feeding the population and holding it together, but hey, lets talk about it since you guys care so much. There are less POLITICAL freedoms, sure (Which is already opening a lot, by the way). But you are free to make suggestions to the government, even bash it a bit. Newspapers here criticize government policies all the time, and citizens' voice reaches the government pretty quickly, which actually gets acted on. Sure, the communication channels are pretty informal and left much to desire, and the government is working on that. Improvements seen every year. Can you say the same with your own governments, on responsiveness?
6. Sure, the Communists fucked up big times in the cultural revolution, but they grew out of that. The world still seemed to still equate China to "evil regime", but in fact most of the Chinese here supports the government and is optimist for the future. Comparing to the decline of the democratic west and developments of countries that has "the correct system" imposed on them, the liberal position is becoming less and less desirable to us, barring the few young university idealists.
7. Living standards haven't yet caught up to the west by far but is slowly closing. The west, has after all, plundered hundreds of countries to enrich a much smaller population. Of cause they can afford nice social benefits for everyone! US, for instance, inherited the goddamn British empire, won 2nd world war, cold war and hold the world economy hostage. And despite that we are actually catching up. Now you want us to redo our political system, "because freedom"?
I invite everybody to criticize China as you always do - that helps us discover our problems, but please look at the improvements as well, for a change. China is no longer simply the backwater slave factory before.
Society changes, politics changes, no ideology should remain stationary.