Politics_Observer wrote:@noemon
Turkey didn't build those nukes nor contribute to the costs of building those nukes. The United States did. Nor was Turkey ever a part of the United States. Turkey granted the US permission to place nuclear weapons on their soil. That still means the US owns those nukes and is the only rightful owner. If Turkey was the 51st state of the US and contributed to the cost and engineering know-how in building those nukes, maybe Turkey would have a rightful claim to those nukes on their soil given they would have at one time been the 51st state of the United States officially and contributed tax dollars and engineering know-how in building them.
Ukraine though was part of the Soviet Union, contributed know-how and money to the cost of those nukes, and they were on their soil to boot when they were part of the Soviet Union as one country with Russia as a Soviet republic. Therefore, Ukraine was entitled to ownership of those nukes on its soil after the breakup of the Soviet Union. In return, Russia got to keep the nukes on its soil given that they too contributed to the cost of those nukes and know-how that were once part of the Soviet Union. It would have been a fair deal. Plus, in the future, Ukraine never gets invaded and nobody was ever messing with Russia anyway, so everybody is happy and there would be no bloodshed.
The only contribution Ukraine provided to the Russian nuclear program is having them stationed on its soil, same as Turkey and unlike Turkey not by choice either. As an integral part of Russia, Ukraine had no independent discernable contribution. Ukraine did not "give up its nukes", because it never had access or control over them and because it was Russia & Russians that established the rocket companies in their Ukranian province, it simply gave them back to the ones who had control and access over them. This is sufficient to end this topic and all the sauce saying otherwise is just evidence that the Americans have been setting up a rhetorical "political" argument to be deployed as a weapon when the time is right thus betraying their long-term plans against Ukraine and Russia.
If the US had to deal with the scenario of say Texas leaving the Union to join the Chinese or Russian Nato and keep the US nukes stationed in Texas thus making them available to the other side, the US would not entertain any of these thoughts, nor would it permit the matter to become international. And no American would ever consider Texans as having an independent nuclear program.
Rugoz wrote:It was a political decision.
These faux arguments make it more and more obvious that the US has been planning to destroy Ukraine and Russia since then.
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