[Vassili Zaitsev]

Well I'm sure everyone here knows Putin restored the old Soviet anthem in Russia, but changed the lyrics. (yes, its yesterdays news) Well are you offended by this? Well I for one am! Not because a Communist anthem is back. But because a powerful Communist anthem has been perverted to represent oppressive burgeoise Capitalism! Which is everything the Soviet anthem stood against! How could anyone defile such a thing! Well what are your thoughts on this? Its like the Capitalist burgeoise is trying to "erase" Soviet history and re-write it!

[Adrien]

Well to me hymns are just pretty music, they don't convey particular values, but i may be thinking that because for example ours stayed the same in spite of the political changes of the republic, it's true that with the new russian anthem it is not the same: the former and the actual each represent one different view.

But to come back to the "pretty music" thing, i am happy to see it come back, because the Soviet anthem was one of the greatest (if not the greatest) and the drunkard's one was pretty crap.

[Vassili Zaitsev]

I agree. You will not find a more beautiful and powerful anthem in the world than the Soviet one. I love it. But I mean...Just the way its being used now...It just doesn't feel right to have the hymn represent Capitalism.

[Adrien]

Yes, but it's a "double-edged sword" like we say in french: Putin on the one hand brought the anthem back to use to glory of it for his own system and changed the lyrics to denigrate the original anthem, but on the other hand bringing it back is to acknowledge the glory of the soviet union and each time you play it you are somewhat advertising the Soviet Union.

You also have Putinist's explication: it is a part of the great deception.

[Putinist.]

Rubbish!

So what if it mentions "God"? Only one set of lyrics come to mind when that music is played - you know what I'm talking about.

[Steve]

I don't see why you should be offended at all - Russia needed an anthem, this was the most well known and most associated with Russia. And of course they needed new lyrics because Russia's not communist anymore.

Besides, this is a national song - isn't communism about internationalism?

Although I do admit it is a very nice song, one of my personal favourites actually. And the old Soviet lyrics were much better.

[Putinist.]

Although I do admit it is a very nice song, one of my personal favourites actually. And the old Soviet lyrics were much better.

The original lyrics will be back.

[ZenWilsonian]

I think the first national anthem was cooler. it was a song of progress and struggle... resurect that! I think that changing the words of the soviet anthem is a disgrace. Even replacing it with God Save the Tsar would have been better!!! At least then it doesn't bastardize a great musical masterpiece and also reflects on Tsar Putin's policies.

[Putinist.]

I think the first national anthem was cooler. it was a song of progress and struggle... resurect that! I think that changing the words of the soviet anthem is a disgrace. Even replacing it with God Save the Tsar would have been better!!!

I agree that changing the words is a disgrace, but under the present circumstances, the greatly destorted neo-Tsarist nationalist lyrics will suffice. Imagine what the reaction from the Western world would have been if they did bring it back with the old Stalin-era lyrics!:eek:

At least then it doesn't bastardize a great musical masterpiece and also reflects on Tsar Putin's policies.

"Comrade Putin". To brand this great leader as some kind of a crook from the repressive late Tsarist era, "Tsar Vladimir", I find utterly offensive.

[C-Kokos]

Putinist are you actually serious about all these BS (Big stuff :P) you are saying or are you just fooling around?[/quote]

[Putinist.]

Putinist are you actually serious about all these BS (Big stuff :P) you are saying or are you just fooling around?

This news is the most significant, hope-filling, enthusiasm-creating news I have ever heard. It's all open information - it's all on the web. The only thing is that my fellow leftists, some of whom are actually on this forum, just don't believe it! They accept the events of 1989-1991 as genuine, are go around under a seemingly perpetual dark cloud which symbolizes the "collapse of Communism" and "the victory of the US (capitalism) in the Cold War". I refuse to linger in the shadow of this "dark cloud". Hence I sincerely hope that the rightists, the so-called "Cold Warriors", and the post-1991 "Soviet analysts" of this world are right - that it is all just a big deception to ensure the victory of the world proletariat! But to them it remains bad news nonetheless. To the Che Guevara-like people - socialists, trade unionists, (neo-)Mensheviks, liberal-leftists, Greens, etc., who either loathed Soviet Communism or detested the USSR as a communist (Marxist) state, this will also be bad news.

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