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Why would you take all the power from your already existing state and give it to another state and hope that somehow this would solve anything?

Why has Communism never worked out in reality? The whole Bolsheviks revolution was a joke and I've never really seen a successful implementation since. Look at how out of the control the French revolution was and odds are if there's a substantial Communist movement going on I'm sure there's some Zionist somewhere lurking in the shadows

I think Socialism is the only realistic alternative. But please don't give all of the money to the banks and let them collect debt on your country since it's pretty much been hijacked by Zion. I mean they're all over, Zion this, Zion on that. Everyone wants to go back to Zion but maybe Zion can go back to where it came from.

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Communism and socialsim are inherently anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, and anti-colonialist.

Tell that to the Polish, Ukrainians, Tibetans... Commies are the worst kind of imperialists because they aren't just running a security racket they are cultists pushing a kooky counter factual crypto-religion on people. A regular imperialist wlll kill you for shooting at them, a commie imperialist will torture and kill you just for not believing in their trash ideology. Lenin was just Torquemada 2.0

The economic problems of the developing world are caused by capitalism, colonialism, and imperialism. Therefore, socialism and communism are about addressing these economic problems and rectifying the inequality. This would, in turn, get rid of those economic problems. And since these economic problems are the main impetus for immigration, a world where socialism and communism are the norm would have far less migration.

Their problems come from poor governance and lower IQ levels.

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Tell that to the Polish, Ukrainians, Tibetans... Commies are the worst kind of imperialists because they aren't just running a security racket they are cultists pushing a kooky counter factual crypto-religion on people. A regular imperialist wlll kill you for shooting at them, a commie imperialist will torture and kill you just for not believing in their trash ideology.

This is not an argument or a rebuttal to my claims. This is just you venting your notions about communism and socialism with no logic or evidence.

Their problems come from poor governance and lower IQ levels.

No. I would ask you to support this claim with evidence, but you almost certainly will not.

You really seem to have some sort of emotional probkem with leftists.

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This is not an argument or a rebuttal to my claims. This is just you venting your notions about communism and socialism with no logic or evidence.

Far be it for me to intrude on your Правда. Yes all the Polish people were appalled and horrified perfectly delighted at USSR's conquest liberation of their land. The Katyn massacre is proof enough of the cock eyed drooling savagery of commie cultists. Katyn never happened, and anyway it was theNazi capitalist pig dogs wot dunnit, no it never happened. Oh and don't mention Holdomor.

No. I would ask you to support this claim with evidence, but you almost certainly will not.

You really seem to have some sort of emotional probkem with leftists.

You mean like how you proved capitalism is to blame?

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Far be it for me to intrude on your Правда. Yes all the Polish people were appalled and horrified perfectly delighted at USSR's conquest liberation of their land. The Katyn massacre is proof enough of the cock eyed drooling savagery of commie cultists. Katyn never happened, and anyway it was theNazi capitalist pig dogs wot dunnit, no it never happened. Oh and don't mention Holdomor.

This is almost an argument. Try rewriting it as one. Thanks.

You mean like how you proved capitalism is to blame?

What the f is this crap?

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What the f is this crap?

If you don't know, well let's just say it is pretty clear which side of the bell curve you fall on.

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If you don't know, well let's just say it is pretty clear which side of the bell curve you fall on.

So you think you are more intelligent than I because you think the racist hypothesis of intelligence somehow disproves the effects of colonialism and imperialism?

Please note that this is not only a "false dilemma" fallacy, but you have also failed to support the racist IQ hypothesis.

Now, other than your oh-so-related belief that black people are more stupid, do you have anything to say about the actual topic?

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So you think you are more intelligent than I because you think the racist hypothesis of intelligence somehow disproves the effects of colonialism and imperialism?

Please note that this is not only a "false dilemma" fallacy, but you have also failed to support the racist IQ hypothesis.

Now, other than your oh-so-related belief that black people are more stupid, do you have anything to say about the actual topic?

I am only of average intelligence for a UKian so yeah do the math to see where you are (if you can) .

IQ tests results globally are facts, interpret them how will, but a fact is a fact. In contrast you make a baseless claim that "capitalism is the cause of global economic inequality" and provide no evidence for it and never will. You will persist with this deliberate lie because of your psychological / ideological difficulties with reality.

Here are some more facts for you to ignore:

- Imperialism meaning the expansion of political power over diverse polities is ubiquitous (yes that means commies are also imperialist if they can get away with it) but not all imperial projects are equally successful. Shaka of the Zulus would have conquored every bit as much of the world as Queen Victoria of the British did if he and his tribe could but Queen Victoria's tribe had bolt-action rifles and steamships while shaka just had iron spears and running so he had not much chance of that, he still managed to conquer a good chunk of south africa though before the red coats arrived. The successful imperialism of European peoples is more probably further evidence of superiority rather than a plausible excuse for less successful people to blame their failure on someone else.



- Colonialism meaning the mass migration of a people to another usually under populated land is also ubiquitous. People have been restlessly migrating en masse since the earliest days. The presence of vast numbers of Europeans in such far flung destinations as Australia and the Americas is again evidence of ability if anything. Again this is, if anything, evidence of superiority rather than a plausible excuse for less successful people to blame their failure on someone else.

Finally here is a brain teaser for you: is it speciesist to observe that chimps are smarter than gibbons?

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I am only of average intelligence for a UKian so yeah do the math to see where you are (if you can) .

IQ tests results globally are facts, interpret them how will, but a fact is a fact. In contrast you make a baseless claim that "capitalism is the cause of global economic inequality" and provide no evidence for it and never will. You will persist with this deliberate lie because of your psychological / ideological difficulties with reality.

Please look up "false dilemma fallacy". Thank you.

Now, please provide evidence that IQ tests are an objective measure of actual intelligence and at the IQ scores to which you refer are not based on some racist study. Thank you.

Here are some more facts for you to ignore:

- Imperialism meaning the expansion of political power over diverse polities is ubiquitous (yes that means commies are also imperialist if they can get away with it) but not all imperial projects are equally successful. Shaka of the Zulus would have conquored every bit as much of the world as Queen Victoria of the British did if he and his tribe could but Queen Victoria's tribe had bolt-action rifles and steamships while shaka just had iron spears and running so he had not much chance of that, he still managed to conquer a good chunk of south africa though before the red coats arrived. The successful imperialism of European peoples is more probably further evidence of superiority rather than a plausible excuse for less successful people to blame their failure on someone else.

Let me ask you a few questions:

1. Is there much migration from the former Warsaw Pact countries? No. So the question asked by Joka is about modern migration from the developing world. Since the USSR did not meddle in the developing world nearly as much as the capitalists did, it would be incorrect to assume that the USSR has anything to do with modern migration flows.

2. Are you aware that the British empire was a thing?

3. Are you aware that US companies such as Haliburton get to extract oil from countries that were invaded by tye US, and UK compnaies getbthe same deals from UK invasions?

4. Are you aware that colonialism happened? If so, can you give me a date when it ended? If not, does not that mean that it is still going on?

- Colonialism meaning the mass migration of a people to another usually under populated land is also ubiquitous. People have been restlessly migrating en masse since the earliest days. The presence of vast numbers of Europeans in such far flung destinations as Australia and the Americas is again evidence of ability if anything. Again this is, if anything, evidence of superiority rather than a plausible excuse for less successful people to blame their failure on someone else.

That is not what colonialism means.

Colonialism is the establishment of a colony in one territory by a political power from another territory, and the subsequent maintenance, expansion, and exploitation of that colony. The term is also used to describe a set of unequal relationships between the colonial power and the colony and often between the colonists and the indigenous peoples.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism

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Why would you take all the power from your already existing state and give it to another state and hope that somehow this would solve anything? :?:

Why has Communism never worked out in reality? The whole Bolsheviks revolution was a joke and I've never really seen a successful implementation since. Look at how out of the control the French revolution was and odds are if there's a substantial Communist movement going on I'm sure there's some Zionist somewhere lurking in the shadows

I think Socialism is the only realistic alternative.

Oh, so much is wrong with that. First, all states are the same, right? Sheesh.

Secondly, please define communism. Since we are referring to Marxism and Marxian ideas, be sure to give Marx's definition. Go ahead. Define it for us.

Third, referring only to communism as Marx defined it, tell us where it has been tried.

Now tell us where socialism exists today as an economic system.

Good luck. You'll need it.

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Oh, so much is wrong with that. First, all states are the same, right? Sheesh.

Secondly, please define communism. Since we are referring to Marxism and Marxian ideas, be sure to give Marx's definition. Go ahead. Define it for us.

Third, referring only to communism as Marx defined it, tell us where it has been tried.

Now tell us where socialism exists today as an economic system.

Good luck. You'll need it.

I think it's fair to point out communism isn't an economic system at all. If you wanted to start a bakery or a farm or a bicycle repair business there is not a single piece of advice for you in the entirety of the marxist canon, not even bad advice just nothing at all. From top to bottom the marxist canon is attempting to persuade people of the necessity of going on killing sprees. What happens after all the killing? So you and your mates conquered someone else's bakery, what to do with it now? Ask Marx? Ask Lenin? They don't know and have nothing to say.

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I think it's fair to point out communism isn't an economic system at all. If you wanted to start a bakery or a farm or a bicycle repair business there is not a single piece of advice for you in the entirety of the marxist canon, not even bad advice just nothing at all. From top to bottom the marxist canon is attempting to persuade people of the necessity of going on killing sprees. What happens after all the killing? So you and your mates conquered someone else's bakery, what to do with it now? Ask Marx? Ask Lenin? They don't know and have nothing to say.

So, the criteria for determining if something is an economic system is if it has a how to guide to start your own small business?

So, feudalism was not an economic system according to you?