It cannot move until a new generation grows up knowing that socialism and capitalism are both based on the same fundamental error: assumed moral and economic equivalence of land and capital.
D Z wrote:? TTP can you expand on that? Do you mean supporting private property rights as an economic benefit are inconsistent with with morality?
I mean that private property in capital is entirely different, both morally and economically, from private property in land, and that both socialism and capitalism are at pains to obscure and deny the difference, albeit for opposite reasons. Socialists pretend capital is land to justify stealing capital; capitalists pretend land is capital to justify stealing land.
annatar1914 wrote:TTP, you said in response to Potemkin's comment on Marx and Ideology that;
Swing and a miss on that one.
Marx applied Scientific rigor to Socialism and Anti-Capitalist critique, and only a mind set on denial mode can look at the evidence and suggest otherwise.
No, that's just an absurd load of horse$#!+ from you. Did Marx compile and analyze any empirical data that could test his claims? Did he maintain an impartial respect for objective facts? Did he advance any falsifiable hypotheses?
Nope.
That's three strikes. He's out.
Like capitalism, socialism is inherently anti-scientific; and Marx's "analysis" is an ultra-moralistic, ultra-ideological joke, like the man himself.
If everything we Socialists say about Capitalism is true and it comes to pass, it may well be that we also have the solutions to the crisis as it unfolds as well.
No, that will never be happening, because socialism is based on the same lie as capitalism. It's like capitalism says, "A white man is better than a black man," and socialism's idea of refuting this is to say, "You are obviously wrong; a black man is therefore better than a white man." They are both making the same fundamental error -- that you can judge a man's worth by his color -- though in opposing directions and for opposite reasons.
As they say in Japan, "It's mirror time!"
Any Scientific theory that fits the known facts
Both of which conditions socialism doesn't satisfy...
can have weird outliers that are more doctrinaire instead of active and practical, and interested in intellectual pride instead of the truth.
It cannot move until a new generation grows up knowing that socialism and capitalism are both based on the same fundamental error: assumed moral and economic equivalence of land and capital.
As an actual Real Estate Agent, I think I can safe to say that I believe that Land is the very foundation of all real Capital, with moral and economic equivalence.
You are correct that it is safe to say you believe that. It is, however, nevertheless factually incorrect.
Land has resources, and is itself a resource, making it actual Capital.
Nonsense. At best you are trying to substitute an irrelevant accounting definition of capital -- assets allocated to generating income -- for the relevant economic one: products allocated to production.
This should be self-evident,
It's self-evidently false and absurd.
but intelligent people have a way of rationalizing away these and many other truths.
Capital can only be produced by labor. Land cannot be produced by labor.
Rationalize that away.