Atlantis wrote:I guess you didn't read my posts. If you had, you would know that I showed by facts and arguments that virtually everything you said (poor peasants sob stories, and the like) is erroneous.
It's no my fault you decided to ignore facts.
Let's look at these you brought up just before this hysterical declaration:
Atlantis wrote:The bottom line remains that the real socialism did not work, not because of outside forces but because of internal problems. That is the hard truth every socialist today has to face.
What do you expect me to say to this heady analysis?
You off a conclusions based on no facts, with no citations, no examples, there is nothing here aside from your apparent feelings that you demand I address.
You follow this up with more feels at about the same time by pretending that all time and space ceases to exist.
Past experience clearly. Shows that the free market achieves better conditions
Yet fail to address this was gone over pages ago with no answer when it was countered that:
1. Capitalism did not work before it worked. Earlier experience with it showed that feudalism achieves better conditions. The secret as to why there was a transition from feudalism to capitalism is essential to the Marxist that accepts that the world changes. For the capitalist, who apparently suggests that there has never been and cannot be change in the world , this is a puzzle.
2. Taking some of the shittiest semi-feudal countries in the world to compare against the greatest empires the Earth has ever seen is a laughable way to pretend to have an objective experiment.
3. As per my second post on this thread, theoretical frameworks set up for this issue that you're welcome to look into. Instead, you stubbornly refuse to accept anything beyond, "The reality in which I exist is the only one possible because time and space cannot alter in any way whatsoever!"
PI is right in pointing the finger at the relation of socialism and migration as the left's greatest current contradiction.
Decky, Potemkin, and myself have addressed this a few times. I did just before this and, predictably, got no reaction. The thing is, this utopian version of capitalism that you seem to adore is the source of your problems. Somehow you imagine that socialism (which doesn't work and can never work) is so powerful and efficient that it is bringing in cheap labour for you to compete with for no apparent reason at all.
The fact is, as I've tried to explain in three different ways in this thread, is that capitalism will always maximize its profits.
Cheap labour is always going to help them do this.
The system you're defending with such dedicated feelings is the system that is creating the problems you dislike. In order to reconcile your emotional love of the free market with your irrational hatred of immigrants, you blame some imaginary socialists promoting a system you don't even believe can work, that must be something-something. This, then, becomes the, "fact," you peddle.
I'll try to dumb this down even further, since even the way I'd explain this to a child went over the heads of rightwingers:
If you have trouble with this, consult a previous post when I had to explain to one of your ideological friends what an example was.
1. Billy wants to open a lemonade stand. He wants to charge a dollar per glass, and doesn't want to mix the lemonade, so he asks Suzie to do it in exchange for twenty-five cents. Billy gets to keep seventy-five cents.
2. Paco, who lived down the street, came up and asked Billy if he could do the same job that Suzy was doing for five cents. Because of THE POWER OF THE FREE MARKET, Billy accepts this. Suzie is now out of a job.
3. Suzie now has a few options. She can have her mommy sew her a white hood that she can use to terrorize Paco and make him go away. However, this has never worked as it means that Paco's family and friends are now more desperate for money and will do the lemonade stand for two cents.
Suzie could get all the white kids on the block and try to organize in such a way that would exclude Paco and his friends, but that would ultimately do the same as having her mommy make her a white hood.
She could work with her mommy and other parents to circumvent THE POWER OF THE FREE MARKET by not allowing people from Paco's block onto their own block. But the result of this would be that Billy could just have Paco make lemonade at his house and give it to Billy to sell both on his block and Paco's block.
What solution should Suzie go for?
If you chose get onto an Internet forum and whine about how Jamal next door was reading the Communist Manifesto, you're very consistent, but have yet to even address the problem you're whining about.