Tainari88 wrote:Look Truth to Power, it is not very hard to understand.
OTC, it is extremely difficult to understand, which is why the number of people who understand it is microscopically tiny.
You have a society who is set up to have a very few of its members profiting off of a very large group of people who are productive.
Like all societies to date, you mean?
Over time if the productive value of the large majority becomes unsustainable because the greed of the very tiny minority overrides it?
That hasn't happened yet in ANY advanced capitalist democracy. It has
in socialist dictatorships.
You got a condition for changing it. Socialism is the efficient way of changing it.
No, socialism is guaranteed to be inefficient, and to fail, as it always has when participation is not entirely voluntary. Capitalism beats socialism because when socialists steal capital, it reduces the amount of capital available for production, but when capitalists steal land, it does not reduce the amount of land available for production.
Selfish shit which is anti socialist is actually not good for a human society in the long run.
Flat false. As Adam Smith showed, it is specifically the selfishness of the productive that we rely on to obtain the things we want.
It creates waste of human potential, it foments crime, and it is highly detrimental to respecting all the most important factors to creating opportunity in a society.
Refuted above. Selfishness is not the problem. The problem is privilege
: greed empowered by law to take without commensurate contribution.
Capitalism has a big problem.
Right: like socialism, it can't distinguish between production and privilege. Socialism incorrectly assumes the capital owner's return for his contribution to production is a return to privilege; capitalism incorrectly assumes the return to landowner (and bankster, IP monopoly owner, etc.) privilege is the rightful return for commensurate contributions to production.
It makes selfishness a core value.
No; it recognizes
that selfishness is
, a core value of the human organism. Socialism believes it can repeal the facts of objective biological reality that billions of years of evolution have given us. That is why it will always fail other than in purely voluntary implementations like Mondragon and the Israeli kibbutzim.
If you don't know how it makes selfishness a core value? No hope for you.
If you don't believe that human beings are products of evolution, and selfishness is therefore immutably one of our core values? No hope for you.
You can't understand capitalism well.
I have proved I understand it incomparably better than you.
Go back to the fundamentals of what capitalism promotes.
Go back to the fundamentals of what a human being is
, and what capitalism is
And for me selfishness is something that ultimately is not what human beings should be encouraged to be or do in a society.
I get it. You think you know better than evolution. But you do not.
It only creates problems that are incredibly bad in the long run.
That is the short and sweet version of why capitalism sucks.
Nope. You just don't understand enough biology or economics to know why it sucks, or why socialism sucks even more.
I have heard every argument about compassionate capitalism, efficient capitalism, how capitalism is moral and just and every BULLSHIT lie about it.
But you still can't understand the truth: capitalism is uncompassionate, unjust, inefficient and immoral -- except by comparison with socialism, feudalism, and the older systems found in history.
The bottom line is what are the fundamental principles it is based on?
Right. And you don't seem to know.
What are its issues. And how does it work in capitalist economies? In the end?
And what about the same questions regarding socialism?
It is about a very few people and the very rich are always, always and always consistently the FEW and not the majority of people in any given capitalist economic system, going on about how they create wealth and how they do this or that as something special. I think it should be obvious to all that it is about POWER.
You think socialism imposed on society by force isn't about power?
Some people have access to huge loans, lines of credit from international banks, they have kids who go to very expensive schools, they live in exclusive neighborhoods and they have enormous personal stakes and power over property that is privately owned, and privately held to benefit them.
You do not understand the difference between property and PRIVILEGE.
They influence politicians to reflect their interests. They are at war with the workers by refusing to deal with the diffusion of wealth and redistribution of it with the workers. They are at war with the regular people. Who don't live off of anything but their own labor and live paycheck to paycheck.
They are at war with JUSTICE. And so are socialists.
This is patently obvious in today's world. In today's economy.
But you don't understand why.
Justice is about material conditions. It always has been.
No, it most certainly is not. There can be justice with extreme poverty, and injustice with extreme wealth.
If you don't understand that? Then you are in a problem with cognitive skills.
<yawn> IQ tests at 20 paces...?
You could do worse than to read all my posts on this site. You'd get a better education in economics than in a typical grad school, that's for sure.