[SolarCross]

Simple question: is political correctness and the SJWs the beginning of the end for Communism? Taking an historical view, we seem to be over the worst of it because the USSR collapsed in the 1990s and really there have not been any new communist regimes in decades. All that is left is a surge of Derrida-esque escaped mental patients blubbering nonsense, the SJWs, but they are very weak people who can't accomplish any of the mass murders that their predecessors did very easily. Is this the end stage of communism? The final fade out? Late Stage Communism.

[Reichstraten]

I don't think so.
As long as there's capitalism there will be communist critics.

[SolarCross]

I don't think so.
As long as there's capitalism there will be communist critics.

"Capitalism" as in private property and trade as been around forever and is the substance of every civilisation throughout all history all over the world. It is human behaviour as much as drinking nectar and pollinating flowers is bee behaviour. You might as well "criticise" breathing and that is the real critique that inhuman communists present under all their fancy lies, humans are not worthy of life, they should die. Somehow the human civilisation got by for over 8000 years without communists "criticising" (that's a newspeak euphemism for murdering right?) human behaviour, there is nothing necessary about it.

Specific kinds of human actions or trades are of course subject to censorious scrutiny by reasonable moral people, so we get people who think abortion is bad or prostitution is bad, okay that much is pretty reasonable and we all make these kinds of judgements but there is nothing reasonable about wanting to murder all human beings because of any possible human action they might do. There is something deeply inhuman about that. There is a misanthropy present in communism which is so baleful to humans it can't be of human origin.

When Christianity kind of broke itself by tying itself to an outdated cosmological model (geocentrism), thinking moral people scrabbled to put together a new moral framework which would allow a basically Christian morality to continue without the Church and without their God and this framework was what we might broadly call Humanism. But just as Christianity has its opposite in Satanism so humanism has its opposite and that is communism and all its variants, which we might fairly put under the term I am coining Inhumanism. I suppose we should expect Inhumanism to continue even after Late Communism is in the trash can of history but its future form surely will be different.

[B0ycey]

But just as Christianity has its opposite in Satanism so humanism has its opposite and that is communism and all its variants, which we might fairly put under the term I am coining Inhumanism.

What is inhumane with proving individuals with what they need with necessity rather than greed?

You talk about murder a lot. Do you actually want to quote Marx if you are going to claim such a thing?

[Albert]

I don't think so.
As long as there's capitalism there will be communist critics.

Well that is the irony of this whole thing, capitalism is a communist created concept akin to a bogeyman; unfortunately this concept has entered the general culture.

[SolarCross]

What is inhumane with proving individuals with what they need with necessity rather than greed?

You talk about murder a lot. Do you actually want to quote Marx if you are going to claim such a thing?

More communist double talk, we know from history that "giving people what they need" really means shooting them in the back of the head and "greed" is not wanting to die.

[Pants-of-dog]

I bet @SolarCross will totally ignore these two requests:

Please provide evidence from history that all communists are violent and oppressive.

Please provide evidence that SJWs are ideological descendants of communism.

[Saeko]

Well that is the irony of this whole thing, capitalism is a communist created concept akin to a bogeyman; unfortunately this concept has entered the general culture.

What if I told you that communism is a concept created by capitalism?

[SolarCross]

I bet @SolarCross will totally ignore these two requests:

Please provide evidence from history that all communists are violent and oppressive.

Please provide evidence that SJWs are ideological descendants of communism.

All communist regimes are violent and oppressive, to the point of absurdity. Of course there are ignorant juveniles who like to pretend they are communist (without knowing anything about it) and they might otherwise have relatively normal human behaviours. That proves nothing, we don't say Nazism is not evil because one or two kids in the Hitler youth were gentle and innocent but that's the standard you want us to measure communism and only communism. You are ready to condemn 7billion "capitalists" to a bullet in the back of the head if just one didn't count out the change correctly while you will excuse 100+ million pointlessly murdered by communists if just one dopey hippy puts on a Che T-Shirt in complete ignorance of what he was. You are being transparently disingenuous here as usual because that is kind of person you choose to be.

[Reichstraten]

"Capitalism" as in private property and trade as been around forever and is the substance of every civilisation throughout all history all over the world.

Communism was a reaction to the industrial capitalism as it developed in 18th and 19th century. Not against trade an sich.
It's a very coercive system that uses constant propaganda to keep the population consuming goods they not necessarily need.
Industrial capitalism promises a rational society, but it's a shallow form of rationality that produces one-dimensional men.
Capitalism is also disrupting to civil society. See what happened in Britain under uber-capitalist Margaret Thatcher.
There are lots of reasons to be critical of capitalism.

[SolarCross]

Communism was a reaction to the industrial capitalism as it developed in 18th and 19th century. Not against trade an sich.
It's a very coercive system that uses constant propaganda to keep the population consuming goods they not necessarily need.
Industrial capitalism promises a rational society, but it's a shallow form of rationality that produces one-dimensional men.
Capitalism is also disrupting to civil society. See what happened in Britain under uber-capitalist Margaret Thatcher.
There are lots of reasons to be critical of capitalism.

That was a narrative they used at the time, they use different narratives now that are just as false.

[Pants-of-dog]

All communist regimes are violent and oppressive, to the point of absurdity. Of course there are ignorant juveniles who like to pretend they are communist (without knowing anything about it) and they might otherwise have relatively normal human behaviours. That proves nothing, we don't say Nazism is not evil because one or two kids in the Hitler youth were gentle and innocent but that's the standard you want us to measure communism and only communism. You are ready to condemn 7billion "capitalists" to a bullet in the back of the head if just one didn't count out the change correctly while you will excuse 100+ million pointlessly murdered by communists if just one dopey hippy puts on a Che T-Shirt in complete ignorance of what he was. You are being transparently disingenuous here as usual because that is kind of person you choose to be.

So no evidence, just a lot of personal attacks.

This is how you do it:
Capitalism kills thousands of its own citizens every year:

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/ ... -coverage/

Nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance, according to a new study published online today by the American Journal of Public Health. That figure is about two and a half times higher than an estimate from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) in 2002.

The study, conducted at Harvard Medical School and Cambridge Health Alliance, found that uninsured, working-age Americans have a 40 percent higher risk of death than their privately insured counterparts, up from a 25 percent excess death rate found in 1993.

“The uninsured have a higher risk of death when compared to the privately insured, even after taking into account socioeconomics, health behaviors, and baseline health,” said lead author Andrew Wilper, M.D., who currently teaches at the University of Washington School of Medicine. “We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease — but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications.”

The study, which analyzed data from national surveys carried out by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), assessed death rates after taking into account education, income, and many other factors, including smoking, drinking, and obesity. It estimated that lack of health insurance causes 44,789 excess deaths annually.

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Now, you made two arguments:

1. Communists are all violent and oppressive. This argument has been dismissed as unsupported. This amusing, considering how easy it is to find evidence of human rights abuses in leftist regimes. Not as easy as finding ones in capitalism, mind you.

2. SJWs are the ideological descendants of communism. Please provide evidence for this claim. Thank you.

[B0ycey]

You are ready to condemn 7billion "capitalists" to a bullet in the back of the head if just one didn't count out the change correctly while you will excuse 100+ million pointlessly murdered by communists if just one dopey hippy puts on a Che T-Shirt in complete ignorance of what he was. You are being transparently disingenuous here as usual because that is kind of person you choose to be.

Why are you spouting the same shit without evidence again. Please quote Marx. At best he advocated revolutional change. But that doesn't mean it has to be bloody. United workers just putting down tools would end Capitalism over night without a single bullet being fired. And that is why it appeals to the intelligent youth who don't have any inheritance. It is a system of shared possession and not inherited privilege. It is a system of necessation and not greed. It is a system where you only provide what you are able to provide but share the spoils. It is an attractive economic system that doesn't have the burden of debt as well. It is most definitely is utopian. But you are insistant on confusing fascists dictators as Communism because it was branded as a form of Socialism by these dictators. Soviet Russia didn't call themselves Communist by the way. Only the Yanks did that. So no, apart from Decky, many Communists are not asking for the death of 7 billion people. They are asking for the end of the banking system, inherited wealth and privilege, and the end of the bourgeois claiming the spoils of their surplus labor. Many of the same messages that Jesus said to his followers about the Romans BTW.

[Albert]

Um, he said give to caesar what is caesar's and to god what is god's.

[B0ycey]

Um, he said give to caesar what is caesar's and to god what is god's.

Exactly Albert. Hardly a quote in support of Capitalism is it?

[SolarCross]

Exactly Albert. Hardly a quote in support of Capitalism is it?

What is "capitalism" for you? The normal person defo is:

: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

Clearly there is nothing wrong in that so you must be frothing at the mouth over something else, so what is it?

[B0ycey]

What is "capitalism" for you? The normal person defo is:

Private ownership for profit. Not that I froth at the mouth of it. But is it fair that a bourgeois profits on the surplus labor of his workers because he happened to inherit a factory? Or would it be better that factory was owned by the state and you only work the labor you require for neccesity and not to make a profit? This is a debatable question actually. Because Communism promotes fairness, but Capitalism promotes improvement. Nonetheless Communism isn't evil. And that is been my point all the time.

[SolarCross]

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[B0ycey]

The worker also profits from the "bourgeois's" surplus capital. The trade of surplus labour for surplus capital for mutual benefit is what is going on, that's why everyone chooses to do it.. Sorry shit do I really have to explain basic economics to you???! Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you?

Perhaps Das Kapital is a read too much for you.

But no one chooses Capitalism BTW. It just happens to be the economic system that is in place today and thrust upon us.

Also communists do not promote "fairness", like never, "fairness" is another of their shitty euphemisms, it just means murdering, an unrestrained crime wave.

Are you a dupe or a deviant? Are you self aware enough to know what you are trying to sell here?

I do. Marx/Engels cannot be disputed actually. They were accurate in everything they say about Capitalism. Communism is just their solution to the unfairness of the system. But perhaps you don't mind the multi-billionaires and the top one percent and the expense of the 99%. But many do. And that is why Communism thinking will never die while Capitalism exists actually.

Nonetheless, I see you are advocating that Communists are supporting murder without quoting again. Something tells me you don't know anything about Communism to make an informed opinion on it actually. You seem more hell bent on spouting 60s Western propaganda of "us" vs the "Commies" instead.

[SolarCross]

I do. Marx/Engels cannot be disputed actually.

So that is what you tell yourself when you are shooting people?

They were accurate in everything they say about Capitalism. Communism is just their solution to the unfairness of the system. But perhaps you don't mind the multi-billionaires and the top one percent and the expense of the 99%. But many do. And that is why Communism thinking will never die while Capitalism exists actually.

Nonetheless, I see you are advocating that Communists are supporting murder without quoting again. Something tells me you don't know anything about Communism to make an informed opinion on it actually. You seem more hell bent on spouting 60s Western propaganda of "us" vs the "Commies" instead.

So you think we should just let the commies do the same shit all over again, another holodomor, more purges, another killing fields, another "great leap forward"?

Serious question: why would any sane person let you get within an inch or doing all that stuff again?

Another serious question: if killing a few commies will save the lives and prosperity of millions upon millions of innocent people then wouldn't that be small price to pay?