[Political Interest]

What have you been smoking, it was us that murdered the fuck out of them when the yanks couldn't be botherd to do anything, France and Poland had fallen and the UK was too busy oppressing its empire to properly fight the Germans.

Many American soldiers were killed fighting fascism. The war in the Pacific was fought with no Soviet assistance until the very end. All of those campaigns in the Pacific were fought by Americans, Australians, New Zealanders and Asian soldiers. People in the UK and Europe forget that part of the war.

Why are you buying into this propaganda mentality? Did your grandfathers not fight under the British flag in WWII as well? Why insult their memory?

[Americanroyalty]

List of interested parties so far:

Americanroyalty
annatar1914
RhetoricThug
Political Interest
Cromwell
Quetzalcoatl
Decky (Maybe)

[fuser]

Nationalist Group

Decky (Maybe)

[Americanroyalty]

What he just initiated and engaged in a lively debate about nationalism: I believe thats exactly what we're looking for.

[Lexington]

Really there should be some rule:

If you're in Centre Group (which shall cease to exist soon because we have all agreed on the plan months ago, hence its no longer need to exist), you cannot be in SN-RF.
If you're in SN-RF you cannot be in Nationalist Group (or any of the other derivations thereof)

[Americanroyalty]

Yeah Is that a hard and fast rule? I really wasn't sure. As Nationalism isn't really an ideology per see (more of an ideological feature) I don't think there should be a strict ideological basis for this group. Perhaps this line of inquiry is worth a thread of it's own.

[quetzalcoatl]

Yeah Is that a hard and fast rule? I really wasn't sure. As Nationalism isn't really an ideology per see (more of an ideological feature) I don't think there should be a strict ideological basis for this group. Perhaps this line of inquiry is worth a thread of it's own.

Capitalism is by its nature trans-national, and thus (as far as I understand) it theoretically must be fought at a trans-national level to have any permanent effect. Anyway this would seem to be the position of most Marxists. Just as libertarians have a sine qua non of free flow of capital and labor across borders, Marxists have a sine qua non of the free flow of revolution across borders (although tactical compromises are recognized as necessary).

Nationalism would be seen as inherently counter-revolutionary on the far left, if my description is accurate.

[fuser]

Really there should be some rule:

If you're in Centre Group (which shall cease to exist soon because we have all agreed on the plan months ago, hence its no longer need to exist), you cannot be in SN-RF.
If you're in SN-RF you cannot be in Nationalist Group (or any of the other derivations thereof)

God, center ground sounds so boring.

Center Ground :

something

I agree

Freedom

I agree

Democracy

I agree

Profit

I agree

SN-RF :

something

Fuck you Stalinist

Trotskiayite deviation shit

Naive childish anarchists

People's Socialist party is the only true leftist party

Have you even read Marx? Popular People's Socialist party is the only true leftist party

God.........

WTF, Donald

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

That's exactly what SNRF is like.

[Decky]

Is leftist 3 meant to be me or is it classwar?

Many American soldiers were killed fighting fascism. The war in the Pacific was fought with no Soviet assistance until the very end. All of those campaigns in the Pacific were fought by Americans, Australians, New Zealanders and Asian soldiers. People in the UK and Europe forget that part of the war.

You think British soldiers, sailors and airmen didn't fight in the pacific? Who's empire was it the Japanese were trying to rob PI? Of course the British fought in the pacific.

Why are you buying into this propaganda mentality? Did your grandfathers not fight under the British flag in WWII as well? Why insult their memory?

Just one did and lets be honest fighting Italian "soldiers" can't be compared to fighting the Germans.

[Lexington]

God, center ground sounds so boring.

Center Ground :

someone wrote:
something

liberal1 wrote:
I agree

liberal2 wrote:
Freedom

liberal3 wrote:
I agree

liberal4 wrote:
Democracy

liberal5 wrote:
I agree

liberal6 wrote:
Profit

All liberals wrote:
I agree

Well, we did have some early disagreements when Ombrageux and slybaldguy were members and instantly began making racist threads, but they were silenced by the sheer power of liberal (and profitable) democracy.

[fuser]

Ombrageux and slybaldgu

What's new about Liberals harboring fascists?

Is leftist 3 meant to be me or is it classwar?

Shhhh. let that be part of the Donald's big expose.

[Demosthenes]

et that be part of the Donald's big expose.

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

[Americanroyalty]

Why do people even post it seems like fuser could do it all himself.

Capitalism is by its nature trans-national, and thus (as far as I understand) it theoretically must be fought at a trans-national level to have any permanent effect. Anyway this would seem to be the position of most Marxists. Just as libertarians have a sine qua non of free flow of capital and labor across borders, Marxists have a sine qua non of the free flow of revolution across borders (although tactical compromises are recognized as necessary).

Nationalism would be seen as inherently counter-revolutionary on the far left, if my description is accurate.

That makes sense, but communism has been a very effective force in national liberation so it would be up to individual members whether or not they want to join the group.

[Nets]

God, center ground sounds so boring.

Center Ground :

someone wrote:
something

liberal1 wrote:
I agree

liberal2 wrote:
Freedom

liberal3 wrote:
I agree

liberal4 wrote:
Democracy

liberal5 wrote:
I agree

liberal6 wrote:
Profit

All liberals wrote:
I agree

This portrayal is absurd. The center ground is nowhere near that active!

[Cromwell]

I share your desire to keep this from going the way of the fascist-led groups. Just, since I do think I know what you're going for, I'll lay out some interesting points of discussion:

. Ethnogenesis
. Irredentism
. Wars of Liberation
. Wars of Unification
. Supranationalism
. Tribalism
. Civic Nationhood
. Ethnic Nationhood

[annatar1914]

I share your desire to keep this from going the way of the fascist-led groups. Just, since I do think I know what you're going for, I'll lay out some interesting points of discussion:

. Ethnogenesis
. Irredentism
. Wars of Liberation
. Wars of Unification
. Supranationalism
. Tribalism
. Civic Nationhood
. Ethnic Nationhood

Excellent points!

I for one am on board with this project.

[quetzalcoatl]

Another topic might be the City-State. I think this type of political unit is destined for something of a resurgence. It is a more natural unit of social cohesion, especially when it comes to large multi-ethnic groupings like the US and Russia. I see large cities with ports surrounded by arable farm lands as magnets for a new direction in political evolution.

[Frollein]

I'd be interested. Cromwell suggested some good topics.

[Goldberk]

I have some sympathy with some civic nationalist movements in Europe, Wales, Scotland, ireland, Catalonia, Venice etc but that form of progressive nationalism is well represented in SN-RF,

I can't help thinking that this group will just be one long ethnic nationalist splurge.