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Godstud wrote:I am simply a pragmatist and know that with big changes sometimes come big costs.
Motorways and car parks cost money, too.
None of the statements you quoted were supporting big oil.
No one's asking anyone to give up their car. But think about it. It's 14 miles to the office. You need groceries, its raining, etc. You'll use the car, but there are malls within a short distance from your home . How much could you use a bike and save on gas plus help the environment and get exercise if you walked or rode a bike.
late wrote:A lot of that is word for word Big Oil propaganda.
Most of what isn't that explicitly, is that implicitly...
Link me to articles or pieces to which I can find, verbatim, the things I said and that you quoted. After all, if they're "big oil propoganda" they should be easy to find.
Drlee wrote:I agree with this. The US is an immense country. 20% of our population live in rural areas. I live about 5 miles from the nearest market and 30 miles from the city. I would be loathe to carry my groceries on a bicycle. But. The time is coming when privately owned cars will go away.
A few years ago I was offered a job relating to the federal government that would require my working in Washington DC. (Did not pan out.) As I was doing a search for housing I finally came to realize that there were two overriding factors in my search. Price (of course) and somewhere for my car. I was looking in the suburbs and facing over an hour of horrible beltway traffic just to get to work. Then there was the cost of a DC parking place.
Anyway. It became clear that eliminating the car (and renting when I needed to take a very long trip outside of the city) would allow me to spend another 200K on the house. This put me into a nice three bedroom house on Capital Hill within a few hundred yards of the capital building and easy walking distance to my office, shopping and all but a few of the places where I would work. And I was ready to give this up because I thought I needed a car.
Glad I did not get the job though.
late wrote:Seriously, you need better BS.
late wrote:One of the questions you should ask is, who is this for? Take high tech surveillance, as an example. You can use it strictly to help people, or you can use it to make the rich even more powerful, and make everyone else a second or third class citizen.
If you've ever been to Europe, you see bicycles everywhere, but few places have made transportation without cars safer and better than the Netherlands.This is how they do it, and why we should, too.
I don't know anyone who would agree with that, but it's always good when you can recognize your clan...
If the time comes when privately owned vehicles go away (and I don't think they ever will), that time will be long after our grandchildren's grandchildren have died of old age...
A 1BR/1BA townhouse can run you a cool $600K in Capitol Hill. There really aren't too many stand alone residences in the Capitol Hill neighborhood, and prices are just stupid...
I don't know, I consider America my tribe. That's the tribe I ultimately have to answer to. Human beings are tribal by nature.
. It became clear that eliminating the car (and renting when I needed to take a very long trip outside of the city) would allow me to spend another 200K on the house. This put me into a nice three bedroom house on Capital Hill within a few hundred yards of the capital building and easy walking distance to my office, shopping and all but a few of the places where I would work. And I was ready to give this up because I thought I needed a car.
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