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#15056835
Stormsmith wrote:
But I don't think cars will go away. They'll just become battery operated.

Producing batteries pollutes to the extent that it takes years to break even with those from efficient IC engines. Then there is the question of where the energy comes from to charge the batteries. And the beefing up of the infrastructure if/when EVs go mainstream.
#15056936
Besoeker2 wrote:
Producing batteries pollutes to the extent that it takes years to break even with those from efficient IC engines.

Then there is the question of where the energy comes from to charge the batteries.

And the beefing up of the infrastructure if/when EVs go mainstream.



You moved the goalposts. Let's move them back and point to the 90%+ reduction in GHG...

Of course, that is changing, although we should speed that up.

It's when, not if, 5 to 10 years.
#15057072
Besoeker2 wrote:
Nope.

You can't simply ignore facts to suit your POV.



You said pollution, I was talking GHG.

That's BS.

For one thing, we don't know what we're going to be using in the future, there is some very promising work being done on batteries.

For another, it ignores the potential for recycling.

But the worst thing, is that takes what is perhaps the biggest crisis in human history, and pretends a little pollution is it's equivalent.
#15057077
Besoeker2 wrote:You can't simply ignore facts to suit your POV.


That's what he does. It's a well-honed debate style common among those who don't have a clue about how to debate...
#15057811
Besoeker2 wrote:Producing batteries pollutes to the extent that it takes years to break even with those from efficient IC engines. Then there is the question of where the energy comes from to charge the batteries. And the beefing up of the infrastructure if/when EVs go mainstream.


There is a little debate on this topic, but it's not very convincing. Moreover, the production, and wider use of batteries will lead to improvements. I don't know where you live, but I'm Canadian. Whatever form of energy you'd propose, we can produce.


[u]https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/26/yes-electric-vehicles-really-are-better-than-fossil-fuel-burner[/url]
#15057812
Rancid wrote:Driverless cars will save the environment.

THe efficiency gains by completely automated cars will be astronomical compared to today.

No traffic lights would even exist!


Now this one worries me. Handsome Jock has been on at me to get one for years now.
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