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SSDR wrote:And I always thought that money was evil, and that it makes people corrupt and mentally insane.
SSDR wrote: Like if you didn't believe in a god, or if you went against the family or promoted feminism, you could get shamed, or even executed.
Sivad wrote:You got it backwards, money doesn't corrupt people, people are corrupt so they invented money as a vehicle to facilitate their corruption. Not money in general of course, just the specific form of bankster money adopted by this diseased racket we call civilization.
Victoribus Spolia wrote:
Do you enjoy sounding like a propaganda posted printed off over at Info Wars?
Sivad wrote:That's high praise. Infowars is one of the most effective propaganda outfits going. I don't approve of the wingnuttery or the blatant bullshitting but Alex Jones could teach a master class in propaganda.
I'm a misanthropic socialist, I don't care so much about liberating the masses, my main concern is saving the future from the elites the masses have empowered. But I do think socialism is how decent people would organize.
@Political Interest, Yeah I don't like mass immigration.
I was always a socialist. I just didn't know or completely understand, but as I got older, I understood more. I also realize that currency and the concept of value are inefficient, and waste humanity's energy.
You got it backwards, money doesn't corrupt people, people are corrupt so they invented money as a vehicle to facilitate their corruption. Not money in general of course, just the specific form of bankster money adopted by this diseased racket we call civilization.
If pofo has taught me anything it's that reasonable discussion and measured speech is a waste of time in politics, if you want to sway people you have to use strong rhetoric which appeals to their fear, their desire, their sense of outrage. And if I can do that without lying or even stretching the truth then why not?
ckaihatsu wrote:You're not a socialist if you're against open borders because capital, every day, gets to whizz around the globe without boundary constraints, while *working-class* people, like those of the caravan from Central America, are limited by the capitalist governments in their geographic access to better job markets, like those of the United States.
Victoribus Spolia wrote:This is false, various socialist thinkers, especially Stalinists, would argue that the revolution must occur at the national level first in order to eventually achieve international goals; however, this implies closed borders and national sovereignty, indeed, unions specifically have often been threatened by unfettered immigration as it undermines their ability to negotiate exclusive terms with companies since they can pay immigrants much lower wages.
Libertarians have always been open borders, not socialists.
This is also historically true, as nearly every self-proclaimed socialist nation was closed-borders as a matter of policy.
SSDR wrote:@ckaihatsu, Open borders has nothing to do with socialism, unless if you believe that socialism cannot exist unless the whole world is one, united socialist society. There is also nationalists who are socialists, and it's great that I can use them as references to back myself up against ultra internationalists who think that all socialists are only internationalists. Nationalism has nothing to do with socialism.
Tainari88 wrote:I am afraid many people don't realize that ultra nationalists are not international socialists at all. For the international socialists all workers in many nations who are not the bourgeoisie or the ruling classes are supposed to be building cooperative units that counter international capitalism's abilities to enter many nations and seize their power via economic and political influences.
Can't do that believing in crap about only caring about your own nation and not the workers in other nations. You will lose to capitalists every single damn time. Lol. Anything where you restrict yourself to only dealing with a specific nation, nationality, race, religious group or anything that smacks of exclusivity will be soundly rejected by international socialists, communists and far left. That is why excessive nationalism is the hallmark of the RIGHT not the LEFT.
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