[QatzelOk]

Most rich socialists have lived off their parents' income and connections to get where they are. So, when these rich socialists become government bureaucrats determining social programs, they try to figure out a way for "the poor" to live off someone else (a host) the same way they did.

In fact, all rich people grow up to be comfortable with parasitism. Growing up rich means that the primary "survival skills" that you hone are asking for money, and staying in school so you don't have to work.

Most of our social programs have been inspired by rich socialists. They seek to offer "the poor" the same life of parasitism that made them such wonderful creatures: training programs and government welfare.

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And like rich kids, the dependent-on-government-daddy are then expected to then be loyal to their host in a kind of mafia like way of being loyal. The dependent-poor learn to hurt others to enlarge their host's gang interests without working for anyone else. In the same way that a rich parent can expect his kids to work against the unions at his factories, the rich-socialist daddy-state can expect the poor to kill foreigners to expand the national interests.

[SolarCross]

I'd say that's just about spot on. Well done.

[wiseraphael]

"Most rich socialists have lived off their parents' income and connections to get where they are."

Really? I would suggest that the vast majority of "rich Socialists" have got rich by sheer hard work ingenuity and creativity.
They are self-made men/women who happen to have Socialists beliefs. How many "rich Socialists" do you know that live off their parents?

You're not expressing the good old Socialist characteristic of envy and jealousy are you?....."he's got more than I have...it's not fair...take it away from him....and give it to me"!

[Oxymoron]

Rich Socialist I bet 99% of the cases have not made their own fortunes.

[wiseraphael]

Rich Socialist I bet 99% of the cases have not made their own fortunes.

Well, if you're saying it's unlikely that a Socialist would want to work very hard and make sacrifices and take chances to earn a lot of money you're probably right...after all a Socialist is someone who thinks they're entitled to a living even if they haven't earnt it!

However, in my business life I did meet quite a lot of self-made millionaires who came from very humble beginnings who regarded themselves as "Socialists" although probably they always regarded themselves, because of their background , as Labour supporters, equating the Labour Party as a Socialist party!! e.g. Lord Sugar? (never met him).

[quetzalcoatl]

We can all be rich socialists. Think about it. There is nothing standing in the way but your petite bourgeoisie hangups.

[Doomhammer]

How do people who spend half their day on PoFo and complain about privileged brats find time enough work hard and be competitive?

[QatzelOk]

How do people who spend half their day on PoFo and complain about privileged brats find time enough work hard and be competitive?

So having nothing to say on this topic, you have opted for banal ad hominem, i.e. "you are on the internet so you have no credibility."

Rich socialists also feel that no one has any credibility. Like themselves, they figure everyone is an inept coupon clipper with a charismatic victim story to loosen wallets.

[quetzalcoatl]

And like rich kids, the dependent-on-government-daddy are then expected to then be loyal to their host in a kind of mafia like way of being loyal. The dependent-poor learn to hurt others to enlarge their host's gang interests without working for anyone else.

Some truth I suppose. But are rich socialists any worse than nihilist deconstruction workers? At least socialists are advocating something. Whose agenda does your universal negation advance?

[quetzalcoatl]

And like rich kids, the dependent-on-government-daddy are then expected to then be loyal to their host in a kind of mafia like way of being loyal. The dependent-poor learn to hurt others to enlarge their host's gang interests without working for anyone else.

Some truth I suppose. But are rich socialists any worse than nihilist deconstruction workers? At least socialists are advocating something.

Q: Whose agenda does your universal negation advance?
A: Negation without creation creates only despair and stasis. This can only benefit entrenched interests.

[QatzelOk]

Q: Whose agenda does your universal negation advance?
A: Negation without creation creates only despair and stasis. This can only benefit entrenched interests

I'm hoping that my negation of the value of rich-socialists will help everyone understand the natural social rejection of all forms of parasitism.

I also hope this triggers a debate on how wrong- headed this approach is if the purpose of collective social programs is to equalize levels of social participation and life quality. Which it should be.

[Gletkin]

We can all be rich socialists. Think about it. There is nothing standing in the way but your petite bourgeoisie hangups.

Rich Socialist Dad, Poor Socialist Dad - by Comrade Robert Kiyosaki

[quetzalcoatl]

I'm hoping that my negation of the value of rich-socialists will help everyone understand the natural social rejection of all forms of parasitism.

You cannot reject parasitism, that is the whole point.

Real productive jobs will continue to disappear, and will be replaced by make-believe paper-shuffling (or electron-shuffling) jobs. This is paid parasitism for doing an imaginary job, as opposed to paid parasitism for doing no job.

All forms of work under current arrangements fall into the category of parasitism. If you want to destroy those arrangements, fine. Just please leave off with the regressive cant if you don't mind. It's always the poor who get punished, when Qatz decides to spank the rich.

[Doomhammer]

So having nothing to say on this topic,

I say that it this thread is an exercise in making crass generalizations.

you have opted for banal ad hominem, i.e.

Well, if you don't want banal ad hominem, you should provide something more interesting. I can think of more inspired ad hominems but decorum prohibits me from expressing them.

"you are on the internet so you have no credibility."

In fact, I was suggesting that you have no credibility because you are on the internet quite a bit, as evidenced by your post count - the highest in this forum by far.

Rich socialists also feel that no one has any credibility.

They are absolutely correct. Until proven otherwise, it is best to distrust people. Social interaction 101, really.

Like themselves, they figure everyone is an inept coupon clipper with a charismatic victim story to loosen wallets.

Why would "rich socialists" deign to collect coupons?

[QatzelOk]

make-believe paper-shuffling (or electron-shuffling) jobs. This is paid parasitism for doing an imaginary job, as opposed to paid parasitism for doing no job.

Exactly.

The modern office job was created to allow middle class parasites the opportunity to live out their dream of staying in school your entire life (a desk and computer) while being a total parasite (office work is sedentary and usually becomes a competition for who can do the least productive work).

The main purpose is to keep everyone on the same page as wealthy socialists - the ones who have ruined much of the West's social cohesion with their generalized parasitism.

[Torus34]

Buried in the last few posts is a paradox which lies at the heart of the owner/worker relationship. The owner of a business attempts to maximize his profit while minimizing the expenditure [labor, capital, equipment.] The more he reaps relative to the input -- the profit margin -- the better a businessman he is judged to be.

Applying the same criteria to the worker, his input is time/effort. His reward is pay.

Go figure.

[Harmattan]

The modern office job was created to allow middle class parasites the opportunity to live out their dream of staying in school your entire life (a desk and computer) while being a total parasite (office work is sedentary and usually becomes a competition for who can do the least productive work).

It is fortunate that there are such parasites to create the softwares you did use to write this message, to conceive the plants used to power your computer, to design your car, to make sure that your wages are transfered from your company to your bank account, etc. If you think that we're parasites, maybe you should be consistent and stop using all of our work and instead stick to a pre-industrial technological level. Or do you think that things would be better if we were doing all of those tasks while moving rocks maybe?

And do not try to reverse the statement: I, for one, never negated the working class' role.

[Decky]

Great OP. If you let rich " socialists" be in charge of the movement (or have any role in it at all since they always end up in charge somehow) all you get is the Labour party.

Working class people know what our problems are and how to solve them, toffs do not. I don't get why they even like to play at being left wing, must be a status thing I guess. The rich should just join the Tories where they belong and leave us to do our thing rather than storming into working class movments and turning them into Tories in red rosettes.

[QatzelOk]

Working class people know what our problems are and how to solve them, toffs do not. I don't get why they even like to play at being left wing, must be a status thing I guess.

The parasitic children of the parasitic rich have two primary roads to choose from:

1. Inheritance warrior: plays with Daddy's cash, takes major risks (Daddy will save you), leverages things with inherited cash and/or political connections.

2. Messiah who picks up the tab: this is where rich socialists live. They volunteer for an organization, do very little work, but buy splashy things for the charity that impress everyone and make the tab-picking-up messiah feel like he has a "special place in the universe" that will ensure "everyone likes me." Paternal negligence may be one of the causes of this eternal "need" to be liked for messiah-ness.

[wiseraphael]

Qatzel....do I detect a touch of envy in your posts?

Or maybe frustration.