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#14936122
Singapore Public Transport is obscenely overpriced (compared to equivalent PMD use).


PMD (personal mobility device) (e-scooter) with 40Ah battery @25V motor is 1kwh/battery charge =24cents electricity from PUB.

(Household electricity tariff today is SGD 24cents/kWh).

This 1kwh/ battery charge can travel up to 60km distance @25kph (LTA speed limit).

Average public bus speed is only 17-18kph (see quote below).

@24cents/60km is less than half cents per km distance travel.

What public transport mode can beat this PMD transport mode price?

Returning to 'suicide' topic (parent thread discussing elderly suicides in Singapore) more people will commit suicide as they are being ripped of by high public transport prices simply because technology is available to provide public transport @ under half cents/km travelled: yet the government selfishly prevents its implementation /use.

And PMDs are much more energy efficient (lighter, no frills)...

That is why the bus model is OBSOLETE because it is pollutive and clumsy (restricted routes, unpredictable traffic delays, crowded) and has restricted operating hours. PMDs are the way to go and the technology is now ready and ripe to use for journeys under 40km in Singapore / other cosmopolitan cities.

cherry6(hwz) wrote:Public transport in Singapore: Ride bicycle is faster.

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According to 'Average cycling speed' (road-bike.co.uk) [link]: "Average cycling speed - indications... some general guidelines, all for solo riders on general 'mixed' terrain (ie rolling hills about 30% of the time, and pretty flat the rest of the time): Beginner, short distance (say 10-15 miles): average speed 12 mph. Most cyclists can achieve 10-12 mph (16.09 - 19.31kph) average very quickly with limited training. ..."

The TODAY news report (appended bottom):
"Minister of State for Transport Josephine Teo revealed ... bus speeds have gone down from 19.1kmh in 2007 to 17.8kmh...."

Given that a "more experienced" cyclist can maintain an average speed of [COLOR="Red"]25kph[/COLOR] over a "short-medium distance of 20-30miles" (32 - 48km), and that cycling is a healthy sport, not just physically but also environmentally, (in so far that protection is worn and rules are obeyed), the current situation of slow bus timings, snail paced traffic, single occupant cars etc, it would probably be time, I think for a major public transport revamp/ re-think in the making.

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Bus hubs currently the priority and good progress made: Josephine Teo
04:45 AM Jan 18, 2012
by Sumita Sreedharan
SINGAPORE - Bus speeds have decreased slightly because of an increase in ridership, Minister of State for Transport Josephine Teo revealed in Parliament yesterday.
Responding to Chua Chu Kang GRC MP Alex Yam, who had asked about the progress in improving bus speeds, Mrs Teo said bus speeds have gone down from 19.1kmh in 2007 to 17.8kmh, as ridership went up from 2.9 million per day to 3.45 million per day in the same time.
"As more buses are introduced to cater to this increase, this would have caused buses to wait a longer time at bus stops to accommodate increased passenger boarding and alighting activities," explained Mrs Teo.
To address this, the Land Transport Authority had announced recently that 35 bus stops would be expanded into bus hubs by the end of next year, allowing more buses to berth at bus bays for simultaneous boarding and alighting. This would reduce the average time each bus spends at bus stops, improving speeds and the journey times for commuters.
Pressed by Mr Yam to elaborate on the schemes under study by the ministry, Mrs Teo said the 35 bus hubs are currently the priority project and "good progress" has been made.
Mr Yam also suggested that longer, wider trunk roads be installed across the central median to reduce the incidence of left-turning vehicles blocking the buses that are going straight. Mrs Teo said this would be considered. Nee Soon GRC MP Lee Bee Wah brought up the issue of bus drivers' unfamiliarity with bus routes, asking if measures have been taken to address this.
Mrs Teo attributed the problem to "occasions where there are services that need to be improved very quickly", and buses need to be pumped in; hence drivers are deployed on unfamiliar routes.
Having more bus drivers trained across different routes would help but this would take time to implement as operators would need to pull drivers from their regular services for training, she said.
Nonetheless, she stressed that the issue is being "taken seriously" and the bus system must become "more flexible" and "more responsive" to the need for bus services. Sumita Sreedharan
URL TODAYonline | Singapore | Bus hubs currently the priority and good progress made: Josephine Teo
Copyright 2012 MediaCorp Pte
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#14942197
Strictly speaking, though, e-scooters and bicycles *aren't* socialized means of transportation, since e-scooters are generally *leased out* by private companies, while bicycles are typically personally / privately *owned*.

What would be more along the lines of 'socializing public transport' would be solar-powered trains -- just around the corner, I'm sure -- or some similar revamping of a common-based approach to everyday mass transportation.

Unfortunately the current system of capitalism always encourages superfluous 'middleman' roles that purportedly provide localization and flexibility, but at the cost of a profit markup and the weakening of any possible *collective* approach to the same. Private interests also cause *conservatism* regarding technology since applying the absolute *easiest*, cheapest, and free-ist techniques would leave no underlying commodity to be bought and sold -- whether economic, political, or a mix of the two -- as an *economic* vehicle upon which to realize profits and/or political hegemony.
#14942218
SolarCross wrote:It is super cheap but it is not free. The bike itself costs something and then the fuel for its engine (you) needs to be paid for, food isn't free.


Many cities have co-ops that help people get bicycles for free or nearly free: the only “payment” is that the owner of the bicycle has to build the bike out of free parts. However, the owner then walks away with the knowledge and ability to fix their bike. Please note that this training is also free.

The fuel is something you would have to buy anyway, and by cycling, you actually make your body healthier, which is a cost rebate as you do not have to spend your money at a gym.
#14942219
Pants-of-dog wrote:Many cities have co-ops that help people get bicycles for free or nearly free: the only “payment” is that the owner of the bicycle has to build the bike out of free parts. However, the owner then walks away with the knowledge and ability to fix their bike. Please note that this training is also free.

The fuel is something you would have to buy anyway, and by cycling, you actually make your body healthier, which is a cost rebate as you do not have to spend your money at a gym.


It all costs someone something, some resource, time is a resource too. "Super cheap" is accurate, "free" is false advertising.
#14942223
Pants-of-dog wrote:It costs no money, which is what @Reichstraten was saying, as far as I can tell.


Good to know, I eagerly await my bike that costs no money. When will @Reichstraten send it to me? Since it is free I'll take it even if I never use it. I could always sell it to someone who wanted it more after all.
#14942225
Reichstraten wrote:I should have said "free to use". Of course you have to buy the bike first. And sometimes you have to repair the bike. But that's it.
Time is money, of course, but I'm not a super-captalist like SolarCross who thinks in such terms. :roll:


Maybe you should be a "super-capitalist" then.. it is better to be a realist after all.

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Since we all like bikes so much perhaps we can spare a thought for those great capitalists who invented the bike, improved the bike, organised the manufacture of bikes in vast numbers and distributed them to the far corners of world. What do you say @Pants-of-dog, do the bike capitalists get a bullet in the head or an entrepreneur of the year award, come the revolution?

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#14942231
SolarCross wrote:Good to know, I eagerly await my bike that costs no money. When will @Reichstraten send it to me? Since it is free I'll take it even if I never use it. I could always sell it to someone who wanted it more after all.


If you tell me what city or town you live in, I would be happy to do some research for you to find a bicycle co-op where you can build your own bike.

Or you can do what I did: find a bicycle that had been abandoned or lost, and fix it up.

SolarCross wrote:Since we all like bikes so much perhaps we can spare a thought for those great capitalists who invented the bike, improved the bike, organised the manufacture of bikes in vast numbers and distributed them to the far corners of world. What do you say @Pants-of-dog, do the bike capitalists get a bullet in the head or an entrepreneur of the year award, come the revolution?


They get to run bike co-ops!
#14942232
SolarCross wrote:Bikes made by slave labour. Food produced by slave labour. Yeah that sounds great. :lol: :roll:


How is it slave labour? Communism is merely an economic system. If you don't like it, leave the system and become a nomad.

But isn't Capitalism legalised slave labour anyway? After all, who benefits from the surplus labour? The worker or the factory owner? Who gives the orders, the worker or the factory owner? Who obeys the orders, the worker or the factory owner? And finally who has the property rights of the fruits of the labour? The worker or the factory owner?

Perhaps you should think more before typing.
#14942236
Pants-of-dog wrote:If you tell me what city or town you live in, I would be happy to do some research for you to find a bicycle co-op where you can build your own bike.

Or you can do what I did: find a bicycle that had been abandoned or lost, and fix it up.

Lol, if I can afford a car, I can afford to buy a bicycle thanks. I have no use for one at the moment though.

Pants-of-dog wrote:They get to run bike co-ops!

Or else...

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#14942393
Red_Army wrote:Public transport should be free. @SolarCross should be renamed SemanticWarrior because he is the biggest nerd on the forum :lol:

Public transport workers should work for free then and drive imaginary buses.

SemanticWarrior is not bad but I would go with SemanticSniper for the alliteration, if you are going to do it do it style. Or gangsta style SemanticSnipa.

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#14942397
SolarCross wrote:Public transport workers should work for free then and drive imaginary buses.


Or perhaps taxes should be put into such a scheme to allow public transport to be free and the drivers can still get paid.

To be honest, I have never understood why more emphasis hasn't been put into such a scheme. I suspect many more unnecessary cars journeys would be eliminated from the roads if public transport was free. And it would allow more people the opportunity to venture out of their residential vicinity for work opportunities, resulting in less necessity for inner city living for low paid workers.

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