[SolarCross]

What are laws if not a human concept?

Nonetheless you preach for the use of definition but only when it suits you it seems. Private property is a legal concept and as such TtP is correct with everything he writes. What more evidence do you want than that?

Although it appears from your post you are bending rules like the breaker of definitions would do. But to determine private property even VSs belief requires a form of third party to decide who owns what FYI. He requires morals within Gods law foind in the bible and a system of practices that adhere those laws by the populous to uphold. There isn't a right to anything by just claiming it.

"Private Property" is property owned by a private person. It actually is that simple.

[B0ycey]

"Private Property" is property owned by a private person. It actually is that simple.

It is actually more simple than that. It is something that is legally entitled.

[SolarCross]

It is actually more simple than that. It is something that is legally entitled.

No it isn't, but a good legal system recognises the reality of property claims. If it doesn't then it is faulty.

[B0ycey]

No it isn't, but a good legal system recognises the reality of property claims. If it doesn't then it is faulty.

Then clearly you don't know what private property is. As I have told you once already it is a legal concept. Without laws it has no meaning. You are simply reciting possession. Perhaps you best leave these debates to VS. At least he knows what he is taking about and not digging his own grave with his ignorance every time he types.

[SolarCross]

:lol:

Then clearly you don't know what private property is. As I have told you once already it is a legal concept. Without laws it has no meaning. You are simply reciting possession. Perhaps you best leave these debates to VS. At least he knows what he is taking about and not digging he own grave with his ignorance every time he types.

You just have it backwards that is all. You are a lefty of some kind and lefties get everything wrong, they do it on purpose, it is a perversity in them, so I am not surprised.

[B0ycey]

You just have it backwards that is all. You are a lefty of some kind and lefties get everything wrong, they do it on purpose, it is a perversity in them, so I am not surprised.

SolarCross, the sayer of wrong must be the leftist of lefties on all of PoFo.

I have told you what private property is. Either accept it's meaning or continue your ignorance. Either way, TtP is right.

[SolarCross]

:lol:

SolarCross, the sayer of wrong must be the leftist of lefties on all of PoFo.

I have told you what private property is. Either accept it's meaning or continue your ignorance. Either way, TtP is right.

And you got it wrong. Blatantly wrong. If you weren't a leftist and therefore a wilful liar I would just have to put your stupidity down to brain damage.

[SolarCross]

@B0ycey
Do you believe in your pervy twisted ideology that:

1. Morals are derived from laws
or
2. that laws are derived from morals

?

[B0ycey]

@B0ycey
Do you believe in your pervy twisted ideology that:

1. Morals are derived from laws
or
2. that laws are derived from morals

?

I am not spending all night debating ignorance SC. But laws are part of the social contract which are formulated by uphelding specific values that can and do change over time. Not that this matters. This is irrelevant. I was just helping out TtP as you wanted evidence to his claim that you quoted. But even if you dismiss the need for a state like VS does in determining private property, as I said before, even VS needs a third party in the form of a God to determine private property and as such isn't something that can be just claimed FYI.

[SolarCross]

I am not spending all night debating ignorance SC. But laws are part of the social contract which are formulated by uphelding specific values that can and do change over time. Not that this matters. This is irrelevant. I was just helping out TtP as you wanted evidence to his claim that you quoted. But even if you dismiss the need for a state like VS does in determining private property, as I said before, even VS needs a third party in the form of a God to determine private property and as such isn't something that can be just claimed FYI.

You didn't provide any evidence. Your word is worthless.

If you believe that morals are derived from laws, and you do, then by your understanding Hitler was completely justified in killing all those jews and Stalin was completely justified in starving to death all those Ukrainians. In your perverse belief system government is right by definition always, no matter what it does.

[B0ycey]

You didn't provide any evidence. Your word is worthless.

If you believe that morals are derived from laws, and you do, then by your understanding Hitler was completely justified in killing all those jews and Stalin was completely justified in starving to death all those Ukrainians. In your perverse belief system government is right by definition always no matter what it does.

My words are just explainations SC. Google is my evidence. But if I must here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property

I chose Wikipedia because it happens to say the same thing in the same way that I said to you a few posts back.

As for morals, they are subjective. And if you want to discover how subjective they can be you best read the bestiality thread.

Laws are determined by values.

[SSDR]

Don't worry SSDR. Nonetheless it needs to be said that capitalism is an economic system not a political system so whatever you class as "pure capitalism" can exist within any social structure.

Yes this is true. That is why there are capitalists who are more socially liberal, like hipsters. And then there are capitalists that are socially conservative, like Franco.

[Pants-of-dog]

@SolarCross

How do we know you own your car?

Is there paperwork you can show?

[SSDR]

Why is someone talking about paperwork of a car?

[SolarCross]

@SolarCross

How do we know you own your car?

Is there paperwork you can show?

I have a bill of sale from the seller. That and I claim it is mine and I am not lying. Are you making a counter claim?

[SSDR]

@SolarCross There is a difference between private property, and personal property. A car is usually personal property.

[SolarCross]

@SolarCross There is a difference between private property, and personal property. A car is usually personal property.

Private property is property which is owned by a private person or corporation. Personal property is property of a person especially used for property that can be moved from one place to another unlike land. Point of fact something can be both private and personal at the same time. My car is both. Marxist redefinitions of those words are actually deliberately wrong.

[Pants-of-dog]

I have a bill of sale from the seller. That and I claim it is mine and I am not lying. Are you making a counter claim?

Let us assume I am making a counter claim.

How would you prove it was yours? The bill of sale would obviously help. It presumably shows that you paid a certain amount of money to the seller.

And who would you prove it to?

[SSDR]

Private property is property which is owned by a private person or corporation. Personal property is property of a person especially used for property that can be moved from one place to another unlike land. Point of fact something can be both private and personal at the same time. My car is both. Marxist redefinitions of those words are actually deliberately wrong.

Yes something can be both private and personal. However, just because something is personal, doesn't mean that it has to have a private source, nor also having to be private property at the same time, or at all.

[SolarCross]

Let us assume I am making a counter claim.

How would you prove it was yours? The bill of sale would obviously help. It presumably shows that you paid a certain amount of money to the seller.

And who would you prove it to?

A bill of sale demonstrates transfer of title primarily. It doesn't necessarily have to show what was exchanged for it, though that is usually desirable in case a reversal of the exchange was required. What is the substance of your counter claim? I have possession, a bill of sale, my word as an honest man and also a witness to the exchange. What do you have?