ckaihatsu wrote:You're blaming the underlings while letting Trump off the hook.
I fail to see why that statement of mine could not be applied against Trump.
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ckaihatsu wrote:You're blaming the underlings while letting Trump off the hook.
ckaihatsu wrote:
You're blaming the underlings while letting Trump off the hook.
Patrickov wrote:
I fail to see why that statement of mine could not be applied against Trump.
Patrickov wrote:
MAGA is not a moronic idea by itself.
After the 2020 United States presidential election, in which Joe Biden prevailed,[5] then-incumbent Donald Trump,[6] as well as his campaign, his proxies, his political allies, and many of his supporters, pursued an aggressive and unprecedented[7] effort to overturn the election.[8][9][10] These efforts culminated in the 2021 United States Capitol attack, which was widely described as an attempted coup d'état.[11][12]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_ ... l_election
ckaihatsu wrote:You've just been *defending* Trump's MAGA ideology, which parallels *fascism*.
ckaihatsu wrote:
You've just been *defending* Trump's MAGA ideology, which parallels *fascism*.
Patrickov wrote:
You are putting words into my mouth.
Patrickov wrote:
Unlike the likes of you, I haven't equated MAGA with Trumpism.
After all, I am not Trump, and neither of us have rights to decide how each other should interpret MAGA.
That's what that latter statement of my post #15205444 meant.
Patrickov wrote:
I simply think the United States has to be great, otherwise the likes of you will be living under real fascism enacted by Russia and / or China. It's its responsibility, not rights.
Reason? Other democratic states (yes, I mean Western Europe) are to wishy-washy in dealing with rogue Fascist states like Russia and China (and possibly India if the West grooms it to be the next China), at least partly because of their economic and / or geo-political situations. At least the United States is relatively free from this issue.
Of course I do think it's the best if the United States remains democratic and free so as to set an example, but when the wishy-washiness I said above continues, no one should be surprised when other alternatives arise.
I merely see Trumpism being one of them. I do welcome it when it's on (regardless of his true thoughts on Russia, sanctions against Russia did not actually ease off during his term), but as the likes of you (or late / Rancid, etc.) rejected Trumpism in 2020, fair is fair. "Trumpism has to continue" is obviously nonsense to me.
P. S. noemon had discussed what Fascism is.
Unthinking Majority wrote:Unthinking Majorityism will crush Wellsism with propaganda, bombs, and cyber warfare and paint the world pink.
ckaihatsu wrote:It's as I said, and you haven't *refuted* any of the points I've made -- which are sound and grounded. Both fascism and Trump have appealed to a mythical national past of 'greatness'.
ckaihatsu wrote:You're *inverting* the politics as they currently are in the world -- it was the *U.S.* (and Sudan, and Myanmar, Mali, Burkina Faso, Venezuela, Tunisia, and others) who had political *coups* in their countries. There's no controversy concerning these historical *events*, in all of these countries listed.
ckaihatsu wrote:
Both fascism and Trump have appealed to a mythical national past of 'greatness'.
Patrickov wrote:
But that doesn't mean their approach in doing so is correct.
In fact, many of which have proven failed and / or only incite sentiment in the other direction.
Patrickov wrote:
Also, America being great is not the final goal of mine (both American Fascism and Trumpism do)
Instead, I see it as a necessity to protect other democratic states.
They may serve my ideals but ultimately we are by default different.
Patrickov wrote:
At least in Myanmar's case the coup-inducing military have no choice but to appeal to China to hold their asses.
As seen in Vietnam and Libya, any coup people relying on the West bound to fail because their systems are ultimately incompatible with each other.
Patrickov wrote:
Lukashenko also presented himself as anti-Russia at first.
Technically countries like Russia and China enable these dictators even if they might be incited by the West, and / or presented themselves as anti-Russia or anti-China at first.
Patrickov wrote:
EDIT:
Both noemon and you try to claim that "fascist" should be used as a neutral term. Unfortunately, this is simply not the case when we discuss the effect of this ideology on the humanity now.
ckaihatsu wrote:
Here you're arguing for a U.S. 'supercop' role in the world,
By 1975, Nixon successfully convinced several OPEC countries to trade oil only in USD, and the US would in return, give them regional military support.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_Accord#Background
ckaihatsu wrote:Okay, so you're *critical* of Trumpism / fascism.
ckaihatsu wrote:Here you're arguing for a U.S. 'supercop' role in the world, but then, subsequently, you say that any countries, like Vietnam and Libya, are 'bound to fail' if their political systems are reliant on the West
ckaihatsu wrote:I don't argue that 'fascist' is 'a neutral term', whatever the hell *that* means. *Here's* what it means:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
ckaihatsu wrote:Just name-calling and using 'fascist' as an insult won't get you very far.
Patrickov wrote:That said, I don't think Vietnam's specific case can be generalized to the main topic like that.If ignorant people want to point at Venezuela, or Cuba as some sort of Socialist failure, then it sure as hell CAN be. It suffered during the American War and still came out OK(Although that war fucked them over for decades). Fuck USA, btw.
ckaihatsu wrote:
I think what's refreshing about the Matrix franchise is that at least it deals with *power* relationships, which is what *Marxism* addresses, also -- proletariat versus bourgeoisie.
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