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As either the transitional stage to communism or legitimate socio-economic ends in its own right.
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#15202876
Unthinking Majority wrote:
You need a dictator to force an entire country to follow ideas as bad as Leninism/Maoism.



Well, *I* don't -- I'm not a Stalinist / 'Marxist-Leninist'.


Unthinking Majority wrote:
Even the Maoists in China have abandoned Maoism because it sucks. Capitalism is so cruel and evil that it's lifting billions in Asia out of dire poverty. An inconvenient truth for some.



Actually the M-Lers would have a bone to pick with you on this one.


Unthinking Majority wrote:
That doesn't make capitalism perfect. It's as flawed and cruel as human being are. And just like humans, capitalism has to be managed and regulated properly and justly and some socialism needed in the form of welfare programs etc.



Nah -- that's just bourgeois desperation, to forestall workers power and outright proletarian revolution. Here's from history:



However, Roosevelt’s measures were neither as innovative nor as effective as many people thought. Roosevelt remained highly orthodox in one respect—he did not use government spending to break out of the crisis. In fact he cut veterans’ pensions and public employment. As Kindelberger writes, ‘Fiscal means to expand employment remained limited, since the Democratic administration under Roosevelt remained committed to a balanced budget’.224 He also suggests investment was bound to start rising at some point from the incredibly low level to which it had fallen (from $16 billion in 1929 to $1 billion in 1932), and it began to do so once the level of bank failures had peaked. In any case, Roosevelt got the credit for a rise in production from 59 percent of the level of the mid-1920s in March 1933 to 100 percent in July, and a fall in unemployment from 13.7 million in 1933 to 12.4 million in 1934 and 12 million in 1935. Many people believed his ‘New Deal’ had worked miracles—a myth that remains prevalent today. Yet one person in seven was still jobless in 1937 when output finally reached the level of eight years earlier.

Then in August 1937 there was ‘the steepest economic decline in the history of the US’, which lost ‘half the ground gained by many indexes since 1932’.225 Steel output fell by more than two thirds in four months, cotton textile output by about 40 percent, and farm prices by a quarter.



Harman, _People's History of the World_, pp. 513-514
#15204665
ArthurTandy1 wrote:socialism | Definition, History, Types, Examples, & Factshttps://www.britannica.com › topic › socialism
Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources.





Meaning of socialism in English

socialism
noun [ U ] POLITICS
US /ˈsoʊ.ʃəl.ɪ.zəm/ UK /ˈsəʊ.ʃəl.ɪ.zəm/

C2
the set of beliefs that states that all people are equal and should share equally in a country's money, or the political systems based on these beliefs
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capitalismcommunism
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Equality is one of the pillars of socialism.
It was the famous speech in which he proclaimed that socialism was dead.
We must not let the burning torch of socialism go out.
All her life she had implicit faith in socialism.
He used a perverted form of socialism to incite racial hatred.
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(Definition of socialism from the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary & Thesaurus © Cambridge University Press)
socialism | INTERMEDIATE ENGLISH
socialism
noun [ U ]
US /ˈsoʊ·ʃəˌlɪz·əm/

SOCIAL STUDIES
any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production
#15204692
Wellsy wrote:
Only your life savings and maybe your life.



My New Year's Resolution is to stop doing this kind of shit (grin), but after seeing the latest Matrix flick I just wanna *plug in*, y'know -- ?


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#15204693
ckaihatsu wrote:My New Year's Resolution is to stop doing this kind of shit (grin), but after seeing the latest Matrix flick I just wanna *plug in*, y'know -- ?


How do you know you aren't already plugged in?
#15204713
ArthurTandy1 wrote:The only 3 nations that still have Communism/socialism are North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba.

The damn irony.
"Socialism has failed" because the "only 3 nations that still have communism/socialism are NK, Venezuela and Cuba"
But if we try to get medicare for all, like all other civilized nations in europe, canada, etc.... these idiots call it "communist ideas"
If we try to get gun control like said nations "communist ideas"
If we try to have education "communist ideas"

So what's the deal?
Equivocation, thats it... Let's call anything we don't like communism, then point the finger to the shittiest communist country and call it a day. Bad faith arguments.
At the end of the day, I don't care if you want to call it communism, socialism, capitalism or carrotism....
#15204717
Wellsy wrote:
Too bad this solipsist nightmare is all a means to an end for Wellsism.



I, for one, think it's *cute* when some far-leftists use philosophical buzzwords. It's political hay for endlessly-rehashed cottage industries outside of academia....


philosophical abstractions

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#15204723
ckaihatsu wrote:I, for one, think it's *cute* when some far-leftists use philosophical buzzwords. It's political hay for endlessly-rehashed cottage industries outside of academia....


philosophical abstractions

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[url]rickroderick.org/101-socrates-and-the-life-of-inquiry-1990/[/url]
A course in philosophy and human values may seem paradoxical because philosophy was that discipline, in our traditions – that’s western traditions, western civilisation – that began with a search for unconditioned knowledge. Unconditioned by human knowledge, of things that transcend this world or any other. That tradition is very much alive in philosophy today, mostly in formal logic and mathematics, where it seems in place, and professional philosophers have a name for that tradition. It’s the “analytic” tradition in philosophy. A course in philosophy and human values has very little to gain from that tradition. And the reason for that, I think, is quite simple. It’s because philosophy and its interaction with societies, cultures, and in its historical context is very difficult to quantify. It’s very difficult to turn into a logical formula. And as a matter of fact no-one – I think, and I have met a lot of philosophers, since that’s what I do for a living – has ever demonstrated that a deductive argument, a logical argument, one that’s purely formal, has ever solved a single philosophical problem. Except internally; the ones they made themselves. It’s kind of like housekeeping, where you spill the stuff, and then you clean it up, and then you spill it again… and a lot of analytic philosophy is like that.

XD
#15204748
Wellsy wrote:
[url]rickroderick.org/101-socrates-and-the-life-of-inquiry-1990/[/url]

XD



The single biggest criticism I have with philosophy is simply that it's *passive* -- it rivals *religion* with its reputation of *monasticism*, and even at its most 'active' it's still only 'proto-science'.

I think what's refreshing about the Matrix franchise is that at least it deals with *power* relationships, which is what *Marxism* addresses, also -- proletariat versus bourgeoisie.

I try to reach a 'materialist metaphysics' with the structure / content of my diagrams, like this one:


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#15205437
This weird obsession with fear mongering everything that these MAGA morons don't understand as evil socialist/communist black magic is laughably stupid.
#15205441
Rancid wrote:
This weird obsession with fear mongering everything that these MAGA morons don't understand as evil socialist/communist black magic is laughably stupid.




This weird obsession with ( ( fear mongering ( everything that these MAGA morons don't understand ) as evil socialist/communist black magic ) ) is laughably stupid.



Fixed.


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#15205444
Rancid wrote:This weird obsession with fear mongering everything that these MAGA morons don't understand as evil socialist/communist black magic is laughably stupid.


MAGA is not a moronic idea by itself.

It's the mindset of some people on how to achieve it which is prone to be moronic.
#15205446
Patrickov wrote:
MAGA is not a moronic idea by itself.



The following presentation notes that fascist sentiment harkens back to an imagined time of national 'greatness'.


The 10 tactics of fascism _ Jason Stanley _ Big Think




Patrickov wrote:
It's the mindset of some people on how to achieve it which is prone to be moronic.



You're blaming the underlings while letting Trump off the hook.
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