[mikema63]

Ive yet to really see any real plans to get technocracy implemented bar some conspiracy speeches about smart grids and the NWO being technocracy.

How is technocracy going about all this?

[Decky]

It isn't, it's a silly ideology. The closest thing to technocracy is Stalinism. Nothing gets the job done like competing research teams working on the same thing with adulation for first to solve the problem and death for the rest.

[mikema63]

Ignoring decky.

Second question how does a tech ate pick its leaders, determine who is most skilled in their field, and how does it prevent the selection from becoming political rather than purely ability based?

[fuser]

Decky is obviously correct.

Technocracy isn't even an ideology just a play thing and I heard that they have fun hanging around anarcho primitives.

btw question to your every answer : brain implants.

[mikema63]

Well if you ask someone who doesn't hold an ideology what their opinion of it is obviously they will say it doesn't work.

(anarch-primitivists? Huh? )

[fuser]

Well if you ask someone who doesn't hold an ideology what their opinion of it is obviously they will say it doesn't work.

(anarch-primitivists? Huh? :?: )

Nope. Fascism can exist, liberalism can exist but technocracy? Nope. Just a play thing.

Anarcho primitives, you know the guys who hate technology and want to hug trees or something.

[mikema63]

I know who they are but not why they would want to hang with technocrats.

Also I can't click on any links on the technocracy.ca site, it's not mobile freindly.

You should consider hiring an expert to design the site for you.

[quetzalcoatl]

I don't know anything about technocracy other than what has been discussed on this forum. I'm guessing it might be implemented via automated production and some kind of expert system/AI to manage it.

Technocracy seems rather pointless under the current economic set-up. Why have productivity doubled, tripled, quadrupled, etc., when the endgame is redundancy of the labor force? If every doubling of productivity were accompanied by a halving of the work week it would be different, but as it is now 100% of productivity gains go to capital.

Let's face it. There's going to be some level of corruption and bureaucracy in any government anyway, so why not have a government that looks out for the basic needs of the citizenry?

The corporatist model seems interesting, if it could be divorced from racialism and militarism somehow.

[mikema63]

It probably could, technocracy doesn't seem to be a market system by any stretch, it seems to advocate removing the market system and instituting a post scarcity economy where people are more or less free to work as much as they wish.

By implementation I meant actually instituting a technocracy and winning the political battle, though the actual operation can be fascinating to speculate about.

[fuser]

Like every other ideology, they will need an army to take the power then a police to keep it.

But as Smertios said in another thread, Technocracy is more of a concept than a full blown ideology which can be implemented in various other ideologies.

Also if you are saying about post scarcity economy (replica machine, star trek), then don't you think you will have to wait a really really long time?

[mikema63]

Not according to them, I think Jolene mentioned that private property wouldn't really exist. If for instance ou were using a car then as soon as you stopped using it someone else would and when you needed to use a car again you would use another. No one really owns a car but no one lacks for the use of one.

[fuser]

Car is not private property.

They want to abolish personal property? Fuck them.

[mikema63]

As the argument goes you can theoretically want to own a thousand cars, but you can only use one at a time. So you can eliminate scarcity of consumption by proper scientific management.

[fuser]

No that comes later, I want to live in bill gates house but can I own such a house? The "post scarcity" is bull shit, that basically means we have to wait for a long time when we can reach a "post scarcity" society (if feasible) and then can hand over the power to our technocrat masters.
So basically just wait.

In nutshell its utopian.

[mikema63]

Same could be said of communisms withering away of the state.

[Fasces]

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There is no concrete plan.

[mikema63]

Hmmm, seems like corporatism is the most likely system to produce a technocracy then, though I think there is something to be said about spontaneous order.

For instance there have been several companies that use the Internet to allow people to rent out their cars when they aren't using them to others creating a system similar to what a tech ate would use allowing people to share a fleet of cars when they needed to use one.

Smart grid is also an example of a system that meshes well with technocracy that is now being produced, especially with its integration with computer chips in home appliances allowing the grid to control energy usage to a certain extent, reducing your bill while simultaneously better managing peak hours.

Ubiquitous computing and the simple uploading of almost any and all data into the Internet also seems to work well for technocracy.

Though how they expect to manage creating a technate without using the political process is beyond me.

[fuser]

Same could be said of communisms withering away of the state.

No, there is a plan, seize the power, end class antagonism where as in here, just wait.

[quetzalcoatl]

No, there is a plan, seize the power, end class antagonism where as in here, just wait.

That is not a plan. It is a fantasy. Any alternative ideology that does not have an implementable plan is fantasy. "Seize the power" is even less of a plan that "wait for the singularity."

[Rainbow Crow]

The nice thing about communism is that they occassionally make their little communes and actually try to do something, whereas most other outside ideologies are just games.