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Red_Army wrote:It is also interesting how super racist SEC football fans can put aside their racism to rabbidly support their 90% non-white teams playing for colleges they've never set foot in :lol:


Agreed, same for rednecks supporting their NFL teams. Its really strange.

Everyone in my area is pretty racist, but they would literally collect the soil that Mean Joe Green stepped on and display it on their mantels if they were given the opportunity.

They wouldn't do this for Leveon Bell though, that guy is a dick and even Steelers fans are luke-warm towards him.

So, I guess if blacks are good players and not d-bags, they'll always have white-racists as fans.

But that was part of my wife's point too, it sometimes feels like blacks are being used for our entertainment. Indeed, professional sports is the only opportunity some inner-city kids have right now to actually make it big. Something seems off about all that, like society is putting them into a cliche role just for our entertainment. That does seem kinda racist....

I think she had a point, but maybe i'm biased for my old lady. Who knows.
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Victoribus Spolia wrote:I see my wife came back just long enough to start another PoFo shit-storm about race-relations. :lol:

My wife is brown and she still takes the piss out of the French for that too.

I don't care what anyone says, a team representing China that is made up of 100% Somalis seems a bit off to me.


The correct answer is that this takes place in countries of a former colonial past and it naturally follows. It does not take place in the majority of European countries.
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noemon wrote:The correct is that this takes place in countries of a former colonial past and it naturally follows. It does not take place in the majority of European countries.


That is a good point, but it does seem to go to her point as well though that former slaves and colonial laborers ended up being the genetic-stock for today's preferred picks for sports teams in those nations.

I don't know about the whole selective breeding thing, I don't think it really matters, and I don't think the motive for this is racial, these teams just want to win and the fans just want to win and that all makes sense if the blacks are better at kicking balls around.

Thats all fine, I guess its just odd to reflect on and the fact that fans don't care if their country's team look ethnically like their country at all. It also probably says more about the fans than the teams, and not in a good way.

I am a good bit Slovak, and I would prefer to see Slovakia win with a team of Slovaks. I don't think thats racist, I think thats having a healthy sense of national pride.
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Bear Bryant at the University of Alabama was the first southern college football coach to start recruiting black players. He had played an exhibition game or something in Southern California and saw the explosive athleticism of black players and decided that was more important than traditional thoughts about the place of blacks.

@Victoribus Spoila, your thing about Slovaks is confusing because of your belief in the justice of imperialism. Slovakia has a Slovak team because they were a weak people who never colonized anything and were in fact imperial subjects to various empires. France has former colonial subjects playing for their national team because of their vast colonial empire. Are you all of a sudden supporting the weak against the strong?
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Victoribus Spolia wrote:Thats all fine, I guess its just odd to reflect on and the fact that fans don't care if their country's team look ethnically like their country at all probably says more about the fans than the teams, and not in a good way.

I am a good bit Slovak, and I would prefer to see Slovakia win with a team of Slovaks. I don't think thats racist, I think thats having a healthy sense of national pride.


If your nation is already a mosaic of colours with other ethnicities occupying space in politics, journalism, acting, singing like former colonial people do in countries of a former colonial past like France, the UK and clearly the US too, then national pride applies for the entire mosaic and not just for parts of it. I guess a Black American takes pride in a white American scientist and a white American takes pride in a Black American scientist, actor, athlete, army general, grunt, whatever, same goes for the French and British and South American people too, less so in typical mono-ethnic European countries.
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Rancid wrote:Whatever the term you want. The point is, they have a lot of pride.

Are you sure it's pride? Or is it because they couldn't identify with someone with an ethnic background different from their own? I mean people not Han Chinese.
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Red_Army wrote:your thing about Slovaks is confusing because of your belief in the justice of imperialism. Slovakia has a Slovak team because they were a weak people who never colonized anything and were in fact imperial subjects to various empires. France has former colonial subjects playing for their national team because of their vast colonial empire. Are you all of a sudden supporting the weak against the strong?


I am not an imperialist anymore. I converted to Anarcho-Capitalism like 6 months ago. Its cool though, you make an interesting point, for if imperialism is about co-opting the best in order to dominate, than using blacks where they can make the "empire" more successful is perfectly reasonable and definitely racialist.

Great point actually.

noemon wrote:If your nation is already a mosaic of colours with other ethnicities occupying space in politics, journalism, acting, singing like former colonial people do in countries of a former colonial past like France, the UK and clearly the US too, then national pride applies for the entire mosaic and not just for parts of it. I guess a Black American takes pride in a white American scientist and a white American takes pride in a Black American scientist, actor, athlete whatever, same goes for the French and British and South American people too, less so in typical mono-ethnic European countries.


Indeed, and the changes in those nations and their attitudes definitely can be seen in what sort of demographics are seen as "acceptable" in the mediums of entertainment.

I do think South America is different though because they've been multi-racial since their inception in a way that is not true for America and the colonial powers.

Otherwise, I generally agree; though tribalism is becoming an issue in America and Europe and I think that is changing the way people feel about their sports teams.

The Kapernick debacle here in the states has definitely made the white working class (arguably the biggest NFL fans) a bit more irritated towards the black community that makes up the majority of NFL players.

The rise of the european far-right and irritations stemming from the migrant crisis will likely yield similar growing disconnects between fans and racially non-representative teams.

But then again, if Rome is a model, the masses won't give a shit so long as they get their bread and circuses. Fuck skin color, Fuck western collapse, gimme my football and fish n' chips. :hmm:
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@Victoribus Spolia I didn't know you had changed your ideology. As to what you wrote about the NFL. It is mostly bullshit that people talk about how NFL ratings are "down". I know you didn't claim this, but I'd like to bring it up. The idea that NFL ratings are decreasing because of this controversy would indicate that the NFL ratings are decreasing while viewership of other sports increase or remain stagnant. This is not true. Care to guess which sport has the largest drop in viewership? Its NASCAR. Viewership of all sports is down - something that will probably get blamed on millenials like our destruction of Applebees and TGIFridays.
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Red_Army wrote:something that will probably get blamed on millenials like our destruction of Applebees and TGIFridays.


Yeah, but those restaurants both kinda blow. Just Admit It.
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They are absolutely terrible. Most of the industries we millennials destroyed were totally asking for it. I do like pro sports, however I think the propensity for TBI that is pretty much indispensable from American football is going to eventually end that sport, which sort of saddens me. I just wouldn't let my kids play football and I think this feeling will only spread.
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Beren wrote:Are you sure it's pride? Or is it because they couldn't identify with someone with an ethnic background different from their own? I mean people not Han Chinese.


What's the immigration policy in China?

Red_Army wrote:They are absolutely terrible. Most of the industries we millennials destroyed were totally asking for it. I do like pro sports, however I think the propensity for TBI that is pretty much indispensable from American football is going to eventually end that sport, which sort of saddens me. I just wouldn't let my kids play football and I think this feeling will only spread.


Millennials watch less sports than previous generations.
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Millennials have hobbies and entertainment interests that didn't exist 30-40 years ago. The idea of 29 year old men getting together to drink beer and play call of duty would have been incomprehensible to my old man, sports were literally the main medium for masculine entertainment; whereas, now, we have fucking netflix and xbox.

Plus there is MMA and all kinds of shit that simply wasn't available during the NFL's golden age. This is besides the whole head-injury bullshit, which to me just means we have become so weak that we can't even have full-contact sports anymore (I mean, if you don't want to get your head banged around, don't become an NFL player, its that simple).

The NFL's rules have also become stupid-tedious too, which really hurts the game's flow as well, in my opinion.
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By Rancid
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Beren wrote:I'm not sure how that is relevant, they still can be ethnicists even with a generous immigration policy.


I honestly don't even know what we're talking about at this point.
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By Beren
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Rancid wrote:I honestly don't even know what we're talking about at this point.

I mean to talk about the difference between nationalism/national pride and ethnicism, how about you? :)
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By Rancid
#14933829
Beren wrote:I mean to talk about the difference between nationalism/national pride and ethnicism, how about you? :)


Oh, well at this particular juncture, I can't say I really care about the differences.
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By Beren
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Rancid wrote:Oh, well at this particular juncture, I can't say I really care about the differences.

Then you don't really care about the basic differences between China and your own country as well. It's really interesting though. ;)
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Beren wrote:Then you don't really care about the basic differences between China and your own country as well. It's really interesting though. ;)


At this moment, no, I don't care.
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