[annatar1914]

MSNBC Reporter Gives Case For 2nd Amendment In Report On Venezuela
Published on Apr 30, 2019

"Gun ownership is not open to everyone."

Tucker on New NJ Gun Ban: Venezuela Banned Gun Ownership Before Country's Collapse
Published on Dec 17, 2018

Maduro administration banned private ownership of firearms

As I've told you before-even though you refuse to see-Venezuela is not Socialist or Communist, with most of businesses there being in private hands and a few state owned businesses connected to oil that employ many private contractors much as in the US Defense Industry.

And in any case, guns are actually in more hands in Venezuela even if not strictly ''private'' owners, hands determined to retain popular government there. Again the point being that after a revolution more people have weapons, and if they wanted to revolt the means are generally right there.

[Hindsite]

And in any case, guns are actually in more hands in Venezuela even if not strictly ''private'' owners, hands determined to retain popular government there. Again the point being that after a revolution more people have weapons, and if they wanted to revolt the means are generally right there.

NOT TRUE. You can't prove the people have plenty of guns to revolt.
I'll be waiting.

Venezuela: Maduro arms militia, bans civilian gun ownership in 2012
Published on Apr 21, 2017

[Godstud]

Estimated gun ownership in Venezuela:

18.5 guns per100 people. Not even comparable to China's 3.6 guns per 100 people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated ... by_country

[Hindsite]

Estimated gun ownership in Venezuela:

18.5 guns per100 people. Not even comparable to China's 3.6 guns per 100 people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated ... by_country

Those civilians owning guns are criminals since the gun ban of 2012.

Venezuela bans private gun ownership
1 June 2012

Venezuela has brought a new gun law into effect which bans the commercial sale of firearms and ammunition.

Under the new law, only the army, police and certain groups like security companies will be able to buy arms from the state-owned weapons manufacturer and importer.

The government has been running a gun amnesty in the run-up to the introduction of the new law to try to encourage people to give up their illegal arms without fear of consequences.

Hugo Chavez's government says the ultimate aim is to disarm all civilians, but his opponents say the police and government may not have the capacity or the will to enforce the new law.

Criminal violence is set to be a major issue in presidential elections later in the year.

Campaign group The Venezuela Violence Observatory said last year that violence has risen steadily since Mr Chavez took office in 1999.

Several Latin American countries have murder rates far higher than the global average of 6.9 murders per 100,000 people.

According to a recent United Nations report , South America, Central America and the Caribbean have the highest rates of murder by firearms in the world.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430

[annatar1914]

NOT TRUE. You can't prove the people have plenty of guns to revolt.

They do, by the very evidence YOU show on your video, of the the Popular Militia. Let's refresh ourselves on what a Popular Militia is, shall we? From the Second Amendment to the US Constitution;

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

So the guys in your video from Venezuela, they are required to have their guns in their homes, practice and train in their use privately and together in their Militia unit... Seems to me they could turn on their government if they wanted to... But why would they? They're Venezuelan patriots.

I'll be waiting.

Don't embarrass yourself.

Venezuela: Maduro arms militia, bans civilian gun ownership in 2012
Published on Apr 21, 2017

See, you don't notice the cognitive dissonance required to swallow this propaganda horseshit, do you? Maduro is arming the Many, who believe in his nationalist populism and who generally couldn't afford weapons for their safety and that of their country before, and restricting the wealthier douchebags who have private stocks of guns and who are constantly trying to overthrow the government so they can get back to looting the country as they've done for decades.

[Hindsite]

They do, by the very evidence YOU show on your video, of the the Popular Militia.

The popular Militia to the Venezuelan government is the government military, police, and security forces, not the normal civilians as in the USA. They do not have a second amendment to protect their right to bear arms.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430

[ingliz]

18.5 guns per 100 people. Not even comparable to China's 3.6 guns per 100 people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated ... by_country

There are 26.3 registered guns, including semi auto and select fire, for every 100 people in Malta.

Select fire?

Yes.

I could walk into my local gun shop tomorrow and buy a machine gun, if I was so minded.

In 2016, there were more than 3,000 homicides by a firearm in the country.

There have been 42 gun-related murders in Malta and Gozo in the last 20 years.

[Godstud]

@Hindsite Pay attention to the reason.

Venezuela saw more than 18,000 murders last year and the capital, Caracas, is thought to be one of the most dangerous cities in Latin America.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430

FFS, don't you even read what you provide as a source???

[Hindsite]

:roll: @Hindsite Pay attention to the reason.

Venezuela saw more than 18,000 murders last year and the capital, Caracas, is thought to be one of the most dangerous cities in Latin America.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430

FFS, don't you even read what you provide as a source???

Yes, I read it all, that is the way all gun bans begin. However, you seemed to have missed the fact that their goal was to eventually disarm all civilians.

[Godstud]

So what if they want to disarm all civilians? They'll be safer.

Who do you think joins the military? Civilians.

Do you remember Egypt? The military refused to move on the people who were protesting.

[ingliz]

In 2016, there were more than 38,000 gun-related deaths in the U.S.

Look at the figures for Malta and you will see guns are not the problem.

It is a people problem.

As US blogger Annie Reneau says, "Americans are just super extra evil, crazy, and stupid".

[annatar1914]

The popular Militia to the Venezuelan government is the government military, police, and security forces, not the normal civilians as in the USA. They do not have a second amendment to protect their right to bear arms.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430

God Himself protects our right to bear arms in any case, so your point about the Second Amendment is moot. However, I notice again that you've missed what the Second Amendment does say about a ''Well-Regulated Militia'', with our American Founding Fathers presuming that those who bore arms in society would not be isolated individualistic ninnies, but rather organized into a paramilitary force for the People's Defense.

And no, you're still wrong about the Venezuelan Militia, it's a different entity than the Venezuelan Military, Police, or security forces;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... _Venezuela

I'd say they're a ''Well-Regulated Militia''.

And again, Venezuela is not a Socialist or Communist country. In fact, Venezuela gives more protection Constitutionally to Private Property than the US Constitution does in the US!

Here;

Article 115: The right of property is guaranteed. Every person has the right to the use, enjoyment, usufruct and disposal of his or her goods. Property shall be subject to such contributions, restrictions and obligations as may be established by law in the service of the public or general interest. Only for reasons of public benefit or social interest by final judgment, with timely payment of fair compensation, the expropriation of any kind of property may be declared.

Article 116: Confiscation of property shall not be ordered and carried out, but in the cases permitted by this Constitution. As an exceptional measure, the property of natural or legal persons of Venezuelan or foreign nationality who are responsible for crimes committed against public patrimony may be subject to confiscation, as may be the property of those who illicitly enriched themselves under cover of Public Power, and property deriving from business, financial or any other activities connected with unlawful trafficking in psychotropic and narcotic substances.

[Hindsite]

And again, Venezuela is not a Socialist or Communist country. In fact, Venezuela gives more protection Constitutionally to Private Property than the US Constitution does in the US!

Venezuela is obviously a socialist country and even their so-called constitution allows for the government to confiscate private property.

"It is worth noting that a clear rhetorical aim—and a real consequence—of Chavez’s 21st Century Socialism is the confiscation of private property and the destruction of private businesses. For example, the Post notes that “In 1999, there were 490,000 private companies in Venezuela. By last June —the most recent count available— that number had fallen to 280,000.” This distinguishes Venezuela’s economic policies from say fascism, a system under which the government seeks to control, but not eliminate, the private sector...

It is not a coincidence that extensive state control of the economy is inevitably accompanied by gross mismanagement. The real culprit of Venezuela’s plight is socialism."

https://www.cato.org/blog/socialism-or- ... las-plight

[Godstud]

Confirmation Bias, @Hindsite. That's all that it is when you use a right-wing source that doesn't take into account Venezuela's economy, and onyl says what you'd like them to say.

Fucking stupid.

[Hindsite]

Confirmation Bias, @Hindsite. That's all that it is when you use a right-wing source that doesn't take into account Venezuela's economy, and onyl says what you'd like them to say.

Fucking stupid.

Actually, very smart for the Near Genius.
Praise the Lord.

[Godstud]

Bless your heart.

[Hindsite]

Bless your heart.

Once the socialist government disarm the citizens they can more easily confiscate the private property. It is simple common sense. It doesn't even take a Near Genius.

[Godstud]

I am very sorry, but you're a complete idiot if you think this. Even the Socialists on here, of which I am NOT one, will tell you that they want to arm the citizens, not take away their guns.

That's a fascist thing that you're thinking of, like in Nazi Germany, but that's only where they disarmed enemies(like Jews). In a Socialist or Communist state, the people are not the enemy.

Right-wingers are loonies. They think gun control = gun ban, when that's the furthest from the truth.

[annatar1914]

@Hindsite;

Venezuela is obviously a socialist country

It is not. For the millionth time, a Socialist country has public/government ownership of the means of production in society. Venezuela is not an Socialist country.

and even their so-called constitution

Venezuela's constitution makes Abortion illegal, did you know that? You had the responsibility to know because i've shown you before. Venezuela's Constitution has greater protection of every human person from womb to tomb that the United States ever thought about.

allows for the government to confiscate private property.

Almost every country on Earth has the ability to confiscate private property for commercial or other development, and like Venezuela they offer the property owner due market compensation. It's called in Real Estate; ''Eminent Domain''.. The government almost anywhere also has the ability to confiscate private property of criminals such as drug dealers.

"It is worth noting that a clear rhetorical aim—and a real consequence—of Chavez’s 21st Century Socialism is the confiscation of private property and the destruction of private businesses. For example, the Post notes that “In 1999, there were 490,000 private companies in Venezuela. By last June —the most recent count available— that number had fallen to 280,000.” This distinguishes Venezuela’s economic policies from say fascism, a system under which the government seeks to control, but not eliminate, the private sector...

It is not a coincidence that extensive state control of the economy is inevitably accompanied by gross mismanagement. The real culprit of Venezuela’s plight is socialism."

https://www.cato.org/blog/socialism-or- ... las-plight

The number of private businesses in Venezuela in that time frame from the 1990's to today fell almost in half because of low oil prices and economic sanctions from the USA, Venezuela's biggest trading partner previously. I wonder if the numbers of businesses in the USA took a similar plunge from the 1990's as well?

[Rancid]

There is certainly something to the idea of having the citizenry armed. If you country is in danger of being occupied, it could be a good idea.

It might now be bad thing for Taiwan citizens to arm themselves for the coming Chinese invasion.