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By Kapanda
#14495580
I thought joe was pretty good. It's his sidekick that is a head scratcher.
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By Kapanda
#14495599
Been so long, totally forgot how much I love MMA.

I'm sure I heard Ferguson say "I've always felt like it should have been that wife beater instead of Eric Garner."
#14495624
Great card. Who'd youvthink won Hendrivks v. Lawler? I was kinda surprised due to TD, but would love to hear everyones thoughts...
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By Kapanda
#14495676
Robbery. Lawler first and fifth, but the Champ was the most active in the other three rounds.
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By Crantag
#14495861
Solastalgia wrote:Great card. Who'd youvthink won Hendrivks v. Lawler? I was kinda surprised due to TD, but would love to hear everyones thoughts...


Lawler definitely won, in my view.

Rounds 1, 4, 5 were entirely clear cut for Lawler.

Round 2 could have gone his way.

Round 3 was clear cut for Hendricks.

But Lawler had 3 clear cut rounds, no question.
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By Kapanda
#14495902
How did you figure 4 for Lawler?
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By Crantag
#14496002
Kapanda wrote:How did you figure 4 for Lawler?


Minute 1: Lawler is stalking. Hendricks is retreating. Lawler landing a few little shots here and there. Hendricks lands a couple jabs and a couple leg kicks. The idiotic Joe Rogan says something stupid again in "Robbie Lawler is just frozen in front of him, and you've got to wonder." All the while as Lawler stalks, but his tactic is completely lost on the Fear Factor idiot. Hendricks dives for another takedown, which is successfully defended.

Minute 2: Hendricks using the double leg position against the fence to stall. Lawler defending, and working in some strikes. Ref restart. The fighters landing relatively unmeaningful strikes. Lawler able to land a right hand. Hendricks a couple pitter patters. Rogan continuing to be an embarrassment and tooting Hendricks' horn, as he does nothing meaningful. Lawler still moving forward and stalking. Hendricks still backpeddling.

-So far it is pretty much an even contest for the round-

Minute 3: Lawler with a big high kick. It was just a grazing shot. But it made some impact. Mostly blocked. Lawler becoming aggressive. Landing with knees. Hendricks a few more pitter patters. Don't really get through Lawler's guard. Lawler answers with some stay busy jabs. Hendricks swing and a miss. Lawler stalking again now. Hendricks throwing, but not hitting. Lawler lands a lead left cross. Hendricks a little leg kick. A couple little left hands. Nothing too meaningful. But it's a tight contest still.

Minute 4: Lawler attempts another high kick. It's blocked/evaded. But Lawler is keeping him honest. Effective aggression is one of the key scoring criteria. They trade some small shots. Hendricks gets a single leg takedown. He hasn't finished the takedown. Lawler is still defending. Technically, in college rules, he hasn't even scored 2-points yet. Now he's stalling again. 50/50 position with Lawler on his butt. No advantage has been attained yet. Lawler back on his feet. Lawler lands a decent punch as Hendricks rises. Lawler with a combo to the head and the body. Lawler lands a solid right jab, and just misses with the follow-up left cross.

Minute 5: Hendricks moving back. Looks tired. Breathing through his mouth. He tries a little combo which has no effect on Lawler. Lawler pushing forward. Hendricks goes for another single, as Joe Rogan says another stupid thing. Hendricks with his head between Lawler's legs. Stalling once again. Hendricks has nothing, as he switches to a double and goes to his knees; while Lawler sprawls effectively while on the fence, and throws some punches. Now some elbows. Lawler is now putting on the most significant damage of the round.

The idiotic Joe Rogan even isn't too blind to acknowledge, "these are big shots by Lawler", as the horn sounds to end the round.


Very clear round for Lawler.
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A little late, but I thought it was Hendricks by UFC judging criteria. Of course Lawler beat him up overall, but that's irrelevant.

I also think Hendricks should have taken the nod against GSP. The welterweight landscape would have been much more legitimate now and it could have turned awesome with a GSP return. Now, there will always be the ghost of GSP haunting it. That decision totally screwed up the ww division. FOREVER.
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By Crantag
#14499456
Corporatios wrote:A little late, but I thought it was Hendricks by UFC judging criteria. Of course Lawler beat him up overall, but that's irrelevant.

I also think Hendricks should have taken the nod against GSP. The welterweight landscape would have been much more legitimate now and it could have turned awesome with a GSP return. Now, there will always be the ghost of GSP haunting it. That decision totally screwed up the ww division. FOREVER.


You take it too seriously.

Yeah GSP was the official winner. But the whole world knows that Hendricks won.

Who cares what the judges said.

It really makes no difference in the grand scheme.

And I hope that GSP is at peace. He doesn't need to fight again. He seemed to possibly have some severe neurological problems. If such is the case, he shouldn't fight anymore.
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By Crantag
#14499476
Cung Le, Nate Quarry, and John Fitch have filed a class-action lawsuit against Zuffa LLC in federal court in San Jose for anti-competitive practices .

http://nhbnews.podomatic.com/entry/2014-12-16T15_15_54-08_00

On this edition of No Holds Barred, host Eddie Goldman presents the complete audio from the news conference held Tuesday, December 16, in San Jose, California, announcing a class-action lawsuit by three current and former MMA fighters against the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) alleging illegal market monopolization.

We expect to cover this more in depth shortly. Here is the official news release announcing this suit:
Mixed Martial Arts Fighters File Class-Action Lawsuit Against Ultimate Fighting Championship Alleging Illegal Market Monopolization
(SAN JOSE, Calif. –Dec. 16, 2014) Three current and former high-profile Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) fighters filed a multi-million-dollar class-action lawsuit today against the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) organization, accusing the $2-billion outfit of illegally maintaining monopoly and monoposony power by systematically eliminating competition from rival promoters, artificially suppressing fighters’ earnings from bouts and merchandising and marketing activities through restrictive contracting and other exclusionary practices.

The civil action – Cung Le, et al. v. Zuffa, LLC, d/b/a Ultimate Fighting Championship and UFC – filed today in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California in San Jose, seeks treble damages and injunctive relief under the Sherman Antitrust Act stemming from the UFC’s alleged “over-arching, anti-competitive scheme to enhance its monopoly power” in the market for promotion of live Elite Professional MMA bouts, and monopsony power in the market for live Elite Professional MMA Fighter services in the U.S. Monopsony refers to when there are many “sellers” and few “buyers” in the marketplace.

The lawsuit filed by fighters Cung Le, Nathan Quarry and Jon Fitch, who seek to represent a class of similarly situated current and former UFC professional combatants, alleges that the plaintiffs are victims of the UFC’s illegal scheme to eliminate its competition in the sport of MMA and suppress compensation for UFC Fighters from bouts and fighter identities and likenesses.

According to plaintiffs’ counsel Benjamin Brown, of Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll PLLC, “The UFC was built on the battered bodies of MMA fighters who have left their blood and sweat in the Octagon. Those fighters are entitled to the benefits of a competitive market for their talents.”
The lawsuit targets defendants Zuffa LLC, the Las Vegas-based company that conducts business as the UFC. Zuffa is primarily owned by billionaires Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta, along with the UFC’s front-man, President Dana White. White has publicly boasted about the success of the UFC’s alleged illegal scheme, allegedly claiming that “there is no competition” because “I am the grim reaper[.]”

The lawsuit claims that the UFC’s alleged anti-competitive acts, in particular its actions over a period of years, have made and maintained the UFC as the only option for MMA fighters who want to earn a viable living in the profession.

“All UFC Fighters are paid a mere fraction of what they would make in a competitive market,” said Brown. “Rather than earning paydays comparable to boxers – a sport with many natural parallels – MMA fighters go substantially under-compensated despite the punishing nature of their profession.”
Above all, the lawsuit alleges that the UFC prevents fighters from working with other MMA promoters, mounting self-promotional efforts of their own or signing with outside sponsors – monopolistic practices that suppress fighters’ incomes.

According to named plaintiff Cung Le, of San Jose, Calif., an internationally acclaimed MMA combatant, “Because of the UFC’s coercive practices, competitive market forces have been strangled, future earnings power of the athletes is stripped away, and purses to the fighters are artificially depressed.”

Plaintiffs’ co-counsel and sports law specialist Robert Maysey, of Warner Angle Hallam Jackson & Formanek PLC, added, “As a result of the UFC’s illegal conduct, they have become the only game in town and locked down the entire sport. It is ironic that the fiercest combat athletes in the world have, until now, been powerless to take on the UFC.”

The lawsuit alleges that the UFC has pursued an aggressive strategy of depriving key inputs to potential rival promoters or merging with them to maintain its monopoly position. The complaint alleges “exclusionary scheme” to impair and foreclose competition, whereby the UFC deprives potential competitors in the fight promotion market access to elite MMA fighters, premium live event venues and sponsors.
According to plaintiffs’ co-counsel Michael Dell’Angelo, of Berger & Montague, P.C., “the lawsuit alleges that the UFC has engaged in an illegal scheme to eliminate competition from rival MMA promoters by systematically preventing rivals from gaining access to ingredients critical to successful MMA promotions, including by imposing extreme restrictions on UFC Fighters’ ability to fight for rivals during and after their tenure with the UFC. The UFC also takes the rights to fighters’ names and likenesses in perpetuity. As a result of the UFC’s scheme, we allege that UFC Fighters are paid fraction of what they would earn in a competitive marketplace.”

The lawsuit alleges that as a result of these and other anti-competitive acts, including the UFC’s acquisition of rival Strikeforce, the UFC has maintained control of more than 90 percent of the revenue derived from live MMA bouts nationwide.
The lawsuit also alleges that the UFC has retaliated against fighters who have worked with or who have announced intentions to work with rival promoters or sponsors by refusing to book their bouts and/or eliminating them from key UFC promotional activities such as advertising campaigns and video games.

“UFC’s threats are taken seriously by fighters because they know that a UFC ban will substantially diminish, if not end, their ability to earn a living at their chosen profession,” said plaintiffs’ co-counsel Joseph Saveri of Saveri Law Firm, Inc. “These MMA professionals deserve the right to take back their careers.

The plaintiffs are represented by nationally respected antitrust litigation firms Cohen Milstein Sellers and Toll PLLC, Berger & Montague, P.C., Joseph Saveri Law Firm, Inc. and Warner Angle Hallam Jackson & Formanek PLC.
For more information about Cung Le, et al v. Zuffa, LLC, d/b/a Ultimate Fighting Championship and UFC, visit http://www.cohenmilstein.com/news.php?NewsID=742.

You can play or download No Holds Barred http://nhbnews.podomatic.com/entry/2014 ... 5_54-08_00 https://archive.org/details/NoHoldsBarr ... suitVs.Ufc. If one link does not work, please try another.
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By Crantag
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Oxymoron wrote:Biting hand that fed them, assholes.

Also loved the war the JDS had with the Croatian, throwing kitchen sinks at each other for 5 rounds.


Is that right?

How about Cung Le, who is still under contract with Zuffa.

This is a very big sacrifice for him.

He said in the press conference that he wouldn't fight for Zuffa again.

His career is basically in limbo as a result.

Cung Le is a superstar, who has worked in Hollywood.

His name was recently dragged through the mud by Zuffa, due to a false positive for HGH for his fight in Maccau, for which Zuffa oversaw drug testing and used a non-credible agency.

He was effectively exonerated. But considerable damage was done to his name.

That is not a matter which this suit is about. He's clearly had outstanding issues. That's just another unfortunate thing that happened recently.

That's some idea of 'feeding' someone.

Also, you should learn about anti-competitive practices. You should also learn about the abusive nature of Zuffa, as well as the Fertittas' history of abusive labor practices in their Station Casinos.

There is clearly an issue here.
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By Crantag
#14500193
More food for thought for the Zuffa and Dana White defenders.

Do you realize that one of Dana White's most vocal critics is his own mother, June White?

She even wrote a book about him.

It is pretty clear that there is a problem. If you enjoy watching the UFC, that doesn't change the fact that there is a legitimate problem.
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By Crantag
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Oxymoron wrote:No Zuffa, and we have no MMA. If you do not like it, do some other sport.


What an idiotic comment.

Zuffa did not create MMA.

And MMA will be better without Zuffa.

Fuck Zuffa.

I'm sorry if it disrupt your barbecues for a couple weekends. Maybe you should open your eyes though and try to give a fuck about the actual fighters.

You don't believe that fighters being paid well, and competition being able to prevail, in the way of non-Zuffa fighters being able to fight with fighters under contract with Zuffa will be positive?

You are completely ignorant, if so.

I don't care if Zuffa dies. I'd rather Zuffa dye than continue to watch fighters be horribly exploited.

So many of you are ignorant. You need to educate yourselves.

What is it that makes you support a promoter so much? Do you not realize that promoters are complete scum?

Are you unaware of the horrible labor practices of the Fertitta brothers at their Station Casinos?

This is not bullshit. Their dad, or uncle, or someone was the inspiration for one of the antagonists in the movie, 'Casino'.

MMA will be fine, without Zuffa.

Zuffa makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. That's because, you haven't come to know what pieces of shit the guys behind Zuffa are.

I hope Zuffa dies, sooner, and not later.

Whether they die or not, MMA will be fine.
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By Godstud
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I admit the fight between Lawler and Hendricks was close. I am not sure I'd have given it to Lawler. I found that one of the judge's decisions seemed ludicrous, given the fight, so i was surprised to see Lawler win. I WAS hoping Lawler would win, but I wouldn't have judged it a win...

Enough said.

Crantag" wrote:So many of you are ignorant. You need to educate yourselves.
You need to take your head out of your ass. Your opinion does not over-rule what other people think. You make ad hominem statements doesn't support your argument, either.
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By Crantag
#14503734
Godstud wrote:You need to take your head out of your ass. Your opinion does not over-rule what other people think. You make ad hominem statements doesn't support your argument, either.


I made no ad-hominem attacks. And my head is thoroughly outside of my ass.

You are just in love with Zuffa and Dana White and Joe Rogan.

I'd ask you to think for yourself.

Also, I'm very happy for the lawsuits. I support the fighters, you see. Not Dana White and the Fertittas.

I don't give a shit if UFC dies.

I'll get by.

You don't need to agree with me. But, that is my standpoint. You must respect it. Or else, you are not a real man.
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By Godstud
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Crantag wrote:You must respect it. Or else, you are not a real man.
So I have to agree with you or I'm not a real man?

This would apply to my statement then:
The UFC is the best MMA outfit in existence. If you don't agree with you, you are a lame-assed sissyfuck.

See how that works? You just insult anyone who doesn't agree with you. Pure childishness.
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By Crantag
#14503941
Godstud wrote: So I have to agree with you or I'm not a real man?

This would apply to my statement then:
The UFC is the best MMA outfit in existence. If you don't agree with you, you are a lame-assed sissyfuck.

See how that works? You just insult anyone who doesn't agree with you. Pure childishness.


You are apparently one who doesn't read too good.

I didn't say you have to agree with me.

I said you have to respect my opinion.

I suggest you learn to read first, and then use the internet.
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By Godstud
#14503948
I don't have to respect your opinion. All I have to do is acknowledge it. Respect is earned. You've done nothing to earn respect except make assertions that you expect others to agree with, "or you are not a real man"(your own words). That's childish.
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