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Cookie Monster wrote:Are there volunteers who are able & willing to make a signature for Cookie Monster based on the picture below? :)

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Beren wrote:How about peaceful freedom? It must be an oxymoron, I guess


Peace by Coercion is the Oxymoron.

Freedom can indeed be peaceful, but security cannot be guaranteed beyond one's personal responsibility or the responsibility of the one who owns the land you live on.

That is the fundamental difference. Socialists allege that security is guaranteed by the State, but in reality all become imperiled with tyranny in such a case.

Peace is voluntary in a free society, which is why it is dangerous.

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Victoribus Spolia wrote:Freedom can indeed be peaceful, but security cannot be guaranteed beyond one's personal responsibility or the responsibility of the one who owns the land you live on.
Hobbes begs to differ: “Whatever the result of a war where every man is enemy to every man, also a result of a time when men live without other security than what their own strength and their own capacity to invent their give. In such a state, there is no room for a strenuous activity, because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth, no navigation, no use of imported goods by sea, no building suitable for any device move or lift things as require much force, no knowledge of the earth’s surface, no measurement of time, no arts, no letters, no society, and, worst of all, constant fear, and danger of violent death and life of man is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short”


Victoribus Spolia wrote:Peace is voluntary in a free society, which is why it is dangerous.
Human dignity is also voluntary in a "free" society. :lol:
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Cookie Monster wrote:Human dignity is also voluntary in a "free" society


As far as practical human interaction is concerned? That is correct, but is there a point there? It sounds like you assume a sentiment in your premise in order to make a subtle point, perhaps thinking it is "problematic" that people don't always treat each other with dignity if left to themselves. Its not, indeed, its just a restating of the fact that voluntary (free) associations imply the possibility of danger (for if we all treated each other with dignity naturally, we would never need guns or means of defense), so you really haven't advanced anything I did not already state.

Cookie Monster wrote:Hobbes begs to differ:


Ah yes, the eternal statist, but I doubt even you would like to follow Hobbes's extreme interpretation of cultural anthropology (which is ahistorical) to its logical conclusions of the essential forfeiture of ALL rights to the Leviathan.

Or would you? :eh:
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Cookie Monster wrote:Hobbes begs to differ: “Whatever the result of a war where every man is enemy to every man, also a result of a time when men live without other security than what their own strength and their own capacity to invent their give. In such a state, there is no room for a strenuous activity, because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth, no navigation, no use of imported goods by sea, no building suitable for any device move or lift things as require much force, no knowledge of the earth’s surface, no measurement of time, no arts, no letters, no society, and, worst of all, constant fear, and danger of violent death and life of man is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short”


Yeah ... every neo-barbs dream !

Zam ;)
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