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By ihofidel
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There will always be full employment under 21st century capitalism if workers would not be choosy with work, love their jobs despite having a blue collar, do not envy those who are luckier than them, and their wants do not exceed their needs. There is full employment in Japan and Singapore.
Last edited by ihofidel on 04 Apr 2011 11:21, edited 1 time in total.
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By Rei Murasame
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Japan and Singapore also are not liberal-capitalist. :lol:

(Leaving aside that the full employment thing has been actually coming under stresses recently...)
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By ihofidel
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Conservative, miss? rei. And behave responsibly in the workplace.. Nobody wants to get fired, do we?
By grassroots1
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Interesting op.

As such, a regulated economy, a la corporatism, is necessary, because one has to ensure that large corporations (where outsourcing occurs) have either state oversight, or state control, as this is the only way that the nations interests can exist or be put ahead those of pure profit-motivated corporations. Small-scale business would live on normally under Corporatism as it would under Capitalism, with subsidies to encourage small business, as Large Business tends to liquidate and destroy Small Business in its infancy. Protection for small business would be ensured by the State as well.


I think it's interesting, given the case of the United States, that you are writing as if the state has interests that are opposed to or different from business. In a situation where the state was genuinely representative of its people, or even in a situation where the state was interested in preserving itself, then we would probably see a lot more of this. But as a fairly casual observer it seems to me that the United States government is, more than anything, a vehicle of business and responsive solely to the interests of business. This is definitely the source of the recent upsurge of public awareness and outcry. At this point, the US government doesn't care that outsourcing and the lack of manufacturing in the US increases dependency on foreign nations, because the US government responds primarily to the wishes of the businesses that benefit from that outsourcing.

When the people of US wake up (or IF we wake up) and begin to demand that we govern ourselves again, we might see policies that rein in these dominant business interests or even (hopefully) expel them from the decision-making process.
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By Rei Murasame
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ihofidel wrote:Conservative, miss? rei. And behave responsibly in the workplace.. Nobody wants to get fired, do we?

That would apply on both ends in corporatism, business owners need to also fulfil their social obligations, or the state will in turn 'fire' them, by closing the gravy-train gates.
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By ihofidel
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Main premise: Only qualified applicants can have the best jobs
Secondary premise: Less qualified applicants can have the less better jobs
Main premise: There is full employment in USA
Secondary premise: There are jobless in USA
Third premise: USA outsources call centers to the Philippines
Conclusion: There is full employment in USA
Recommendation: Improve your resume so that you can have the best jobs

A Short Course on Logic and Philosophy, by ihofidel
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By ihofidel
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Life is hard, miss rei. That is why Christ was crucified on the Cross. But life is hardest (so so hard, you will grimace) in communist countries.
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By Rei Murasame
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Good thing I'm a Corporatist then.

But no, seriously, your above 'logic' has a giant hole in it and I'm sure you can see it.
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By ihofidel
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Nothing derogatory. Just making the young and restless realize not to be idealistic. Love their jobs even though they are odd. I work in a factory. I work 12-14 hours a day, 7 days a week. In five years I should have bought my house, cash. But I prefer living in an apartment where lovely blonde Cuban ladies are teeming together with Amerasian blonde Chinese. We drink to be merry...In heaven there is no beer.That's why we drink it here.. :lol: I know where the 'hole' is. S**t happens. I mean accidents. That was why Christ was crucified to teach us how to pray to gather all the blessings like fancy clothes ( I wear leather pants), high tech gadgets, etc...
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By starman2003
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There will always be full employment under 21st century capitalism


Sure just like right now. :lol:

..the United States government is, more than anything, a vehicle of business and responsive solely to the interests of business.


Oh sure..if business had its way, it wouldn't be necessary to outsource, we'd have cheap labor--no minimum wage laws--here in the US. The US government is responsive to the voters, the masses.
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By ihofidel
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I have learned in my younger days that before you apply economic theories on your invalid criticism, I have to study economis at least micro and macro economics which I did. I wonder if people here are as much knowledgeable at me..There are also communists and socialists who mastered in economics with their Phds. They espouse Middle East socialism the econoomies of which are stagnant and worse, these economists knew that they were stagnant. They just do not want to lose the debate and put malice in any diiscuussion or debate. Good is good, evil is evil.-Bible
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By starman2003
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I wonder if people here are as much knowledgeable at me..


Their knowledge of English is better. ;)
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