[Bosnjak]

I know the Nazis tolerated prostitution. Himmler said, this prevents the boys getting gay.

How was the prostitution handled in Fascist states?

[Preston Cole]

I'm not sure about Fascist Italy or Romania, but I suspect all fascist states still had prostitution, as it's very hard to suppress. It's one of those age-old vices that depend upon the consensus among a group of people. If a woman is a whore and the fact is only known to a couple of secretive regulars, the word won't spread and it'll remain a secret. Prostitution shouldn't be tolerated, needless to say. It does have some benefits when it's done safely, but in what regards the propagation of the fascist revolution, the practice is contradictory to fascist values.

[Fasces]

I am apathetic, and my answer would shift largely based on local morals or customs. In Japan, for example, prostitution had an enshrined position in a society which was not very restrictive of human sexuality.

[Daktoria]

This is one of my biggest concerns regarding a fascist society because you could see a world where children are educationally sexualized in order to help them grow up.

The externalities of that would be all over the place for both genders, especially during economic downturns.

[Suska]

In Japan, for example, prostitution had an enshrined position in a society which was not very restrictive of human sexuality.

Geisha are not prostitutes, duh, even Yahoo Answers knows that.

[Fasces]

I wasn't talking about geisha, but yūjo.

[Suska]

Geisha dress up like tree frogs and drive around in go-carts in order to your momma.

[Fasces]

Don't spam, please.

[Suska]

Do you even know what spam is?

[telluro]

I don't know why everyone says Geisha were not prostitutes though. You paid them for their company and charm, and when you paid them enough and have built a stable customer relationship with them, you do get to have sex with them. So they're just high-maintenance over-expensive prostitutes, not non-prostitutes. Have I got this wrong?

[Bosnjak]

Geisha dress up like tree frogs and drive around in go-carts in order to your momma.

WTF. You think a man does pay fat ammount of money without fucking? Immpossible.


In West People also say that Escort Girls don not fuck. they go just out and eat with you and are in a Club, do not fuck, but this is a fucking Myth. You pay them but you get them for over 24h. and if you give them Cocain they stay the hole weak . A friend ordered two at his birthsday, they were imidietly delivered in a Stretch-Limo at his home.

and a Friend who belongs to a family who is damn rich. He says Models prostitute them also but only for an incredible ammount of money.

[Suska]

Fine, at the right price everyone is a prostitute, is that what you need to hear? It isn't true of course, but let's just go with that for now. In that case plumbing and bus driving is prostitution.

Geisha were escorts, if they whore around they cease to be a Geisha. Since this isn't true of our plumbers and bus drivers, Geisha especially are not prostitutes.

[Rei Murasame]

This is one of my biggest concerns regarding a fascist society because you could see a world where children are educationally sexualized in order to help them grow up.

What? Define the age-range you are talking about, as no one can address this until you do.

Even as type this I have a feeling that you are going to second-guess my response and give me a very large response rather than just a numerical age to clue me in on the stage of development that you are talking about.

I am sure that you can't mean 'children' in the literal sense, but I want it on record so that observers of this thread cannot be in doubt.

[Daktoria]

Well tbh, I think children should be taught about sex before they reach puberty so when they do, they don't feel embarrassed or suspicious about it.

In any case, I guess it wouldn't be surprising to see a fascist state directly hire prostitutes to educate young adults during secondary education. It'd be part and parcel with the rite of passage into adulthood (and proper citizenry).

[Rei Murasame]

That's so preposterous that I think you couldn't possibly have had a straight face while writing it.

You know what you're doing? Projecting the flaws of deontological libertarianism onto fascism. Since of course under your sort of system prostitution would be legal everywhere, and not only that, you would allow the market to press poor women into it as well.

So if you want to go down that path of debate, we can indeed go there, since under fascism we actually have the pretext and the legal and redistributive means to combat prostitution.

Under deontological libertarianism you don't do jack-all about it. In fact, libertarianism doesn't give a fuck about women at all, inherently.

[Suska]

I think you're projecting onto Libertarianism and onto Dak Rei.

If we're such futuristic rational thinkers, the question is "whats wrong with prostitution" - in your fascist utopia or in some ubermarket libertarianism what would be the rationale for combating it? Or are we still human enough to know that it's degrading, just not human enough to think people have a soul.

[Daktoria]

That's so preposterous that I think you couldn't possibly have had a straight face while writing it.

You know what you're doing? Projecting the flaws of deontological libertarianism onto fascism. Since of course under your sort of system prostitution would be legal everywhere, and not only that, you would allow the market to press poor women into it as well.

So if you want to go down that path of debate, we can indeed go there, since under fascism we actually have the pretext and the legal and redistributive means to combat prostitution.

Under deontological libertarianism you don't do jack-all about it. In fact, libertarianism doesn't give a fuck about women at all, inherently.

Actually, especially considering the attitudes of the time, Kant had some rather kind words to say about women.

My personal position on prostitution is rather discrete. I don't believe in stripper clubs or brothels because they objectify lawabiding citizen-taxpayers into animals. It's also extremely difficult to adjudicate over rape, theft, blackmail, and crime in general in such circumstances, so burdening law enforcement with protecting such places of business isn't really fair.

Professional companions might be a possibility, but I'm not entirely sure about that either. As you also know, I oppose public advertising, so hypersexualization wouldn't really be an option there either.

In any case, can you explain why fascism aims to get rid of prostitution? Conservatism can distinguish between hospitality and prostitution, but I'm not sure how fascism can.

[Rei Murasame]

I think you're projecting onto Libertarianism and onto Dak Rei.

No, it's just that classical liberalism is all talk on how much they "love" women, while kicking them in the teeth. Libertarians are the sort of people who will watch female rice farmers going broke and having to sell their bodies for money, and will stand there and say that no one should use any redistributive polices to prevent that from happening because that would be "forcing people to help".

You seem to think that libertarians give a damn about gender issues. They really don't.

Actually, especially considering the attitudes of the time, Kant had some rather kind words to say about women.

In any case, can you explain why fascism aims to get rid of prostitution?

If you can't imagine why fascists would want to (and have the means to) eradicate prostitution, then almost I don't know which end to begin from. What is the relationship between national identity and female integrity, generally?

I don't believe in stripper clubs or brothels because they objectify lawabiding citizen-taxpayers into animals. It's also extremely difficult to adjudicate over rape, theft, blackmail, and crime in general in such circumstances, so burdening law enforcement with protecting such places of business isn't really fair.

But you'd have no means to prevent it.

[Daktoria]

As far as I can see, fascists would want to encourage prostitution if anything to keep people emotionally motivated towards nationalist pursuits. State sponsored prostitution would influence and control the most primal urges of people through their sex drives.

Heck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cam ... rld_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

You could also see this relate to a eugenics program regarding not only pure breeding, but aggressive pure breeding:

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Wo ... ermany.htm

One of the earliest laws passed by Hitler once he came to power in 1933, was the Law for the Encouragement of Marriage. This law stated that all newly married couples would get a government loan of 1000 marks which was about 9 months average income. 800,000 newly weds took up this offer. This loan was not to be simply paid back. The birth of one child meant that 25% of the loan did not have to be paid back. Two children meant that 50% of the loan need not be paid back. Four children meant that the entire loan was cleared.

August 12th had been the birthday of Hitler’s mother. On this day each year, the Motherhood Cross was awarded to women who had given birth to the largest number of children. The gold cross went to women who had produced 8 children; silver was for 6 children and bronze was for 4 children

In Nazi Germany it was not considered a social problem if an unmarried woman had a child. In fact it was encouraged. The Nazis established Lebensborn’s which were buildings where selected unmarried women could go to get pregnant by a "racially pure" SS man. These were not buildings that were hidden away in some back street. The government openly publicised them and they had a white flag with a red dot in the middle to identify them to the public.

As for preventing it in a libertarian society, private property handles it rather well. If you want your private property respected, then you better not use it improperly. Using it in such a manner could qualify as pollution just as much as environmental pollution coming from a factory.

[Rei Murasame]

Are we talking about Fascism as preserved in the interregnum and post-1968, or are we talking about 1930?

As for preventing it in a libertarian society, private property handles it rather well.

You are kidding, right?