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By Piccolo
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Hello,

Any supporters of left-wing monarchism here? Unlike many people, I believe that monarchy can be a force for social justice. Monarchy can represent an antidote to the theory of capitalist meritocracy since the monarch does not derive his or her position from success in the capitalist marketplace. The monarch is not elected so they would not have to kowtow to plutocrats and business interests for campaign support.

The idea may seem outlandish but there is some precedent, for example the left-wing Carlist Party in Spain. The left-wing Carlists support autogestion (worker’s self-management in the economy) which appears to be similar to Yugoslavian-style socialism or guild socialism/syndicalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlist_Party
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Piccolo wrote:Monarchy can represent an antidote to the theory of capitalist meritocracy since the monarch does not derive his or her position from success in the capitalist marketplace. The monarch is not elected so they would not have to kowtow to plutocrats and business interests for campaign support.


All leaders are elected. They don't just appear. They might not be elected formally as we see in representative democracy, but they are most definitely elected by the forces around them.
By Piccolo
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Technology wrote:All leaders are elected. They don't just appear. They might not be elected formally as we see in representative democracy, but they are most definitely elected by the forces around them.


I see what you mean, but a hereditary monarchy is not beholden to special interests in the same way that politicians in representative republics are. For example, monarchs do not have to collect campaign funds to successfully raise the money needed to win elections. Once on the throne, the monarch is typically there for life.

Also, monarchy ends the “revolving door” problem where politicians use a political career to curry favor with private actors so that they can secure high-paying positions after the end of their time in office.
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Piccolo wrote:I see what you mean, but a hereditary monarchy is not beholden to special interests in the same way that politicians in representative republics are. For example, monarchs do not have to collect campaign funds to successfully raise the money needed to win elections. Once on the throne, the monarch is typically there for life.


Dictatorship has the same advantages and face it, this is all academic. Monarchy is a dinosaur. It's been a while since"divine right" was the basis of legitimacy.
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By Potemkin
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The Carlists were fascists, not socialists

I would describe them as 'proto-fascists', Hoss.
By Piccolo
#14341989
Not all of the Carlists are fascists. Don Carlos Hugo's Carlist Party is socialist. Left-wing Carlists support federalism and autogestion. There are two wings of modern Carlism: the traditionalist right-wing and the socialist left-wing. I am not sure if the right-wing Carlists are fascists, they are more like traditionalist conservatives.

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