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Oh I about peed myself with that post.

Something has to be done besides intellectual fabrications to justify and worship earthly power. The Ruler is ordained of God, yes, but again all power in Heaven and on Earth has been given Christ, and the Father's Will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
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Something has to be done besides intellectual fabrications to justify and worship earthly power. The Ruler is ordained of God, yes, but again all power in Heaven and on Earth has been given Christ, and the Father's Will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

Indeed. And this is the only element still missing from taxizen's neo-feudalism - a fanatical religious faith underpinning it all. Just one more step, taxizen, and your return to the loving embrace of the God-Emperor will be complete!
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Ordinary fascists fully endorse collectivism, making them indistinguishable from Communists in terms of their purported economic policies beneficial for the masses, but Ebola was highly critical of collectivism of National Socialism or what he called "centralism". For Ebola, a return to the Holy Roman Empire was ideal for Western civilisation with the king or emperor as a manifestation of god and his ideology was somewhat similar to that of Japanese fascists, who were mostly thinly-disguised Communists trying to do away with private property rights and create an egalitarian society without land-owning upper classes. Ebola seemed to have drawn inspiration from the Orient, which was not unusual at a time when most European thinkers presumed that Western civilisation was in decline.

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In his last major work, called Ride the Tiger, Evola essentially gives up on the idea of ever reviving the “eternal order” of Tradition through political means. In its stead, Ride the Tiger serves as a manual for mentally and spiritually transcending the Kali Yuga—the “age of vice” and the fourth and final cycle of the world in the scriptures of the Hindus, Jains, and Sikhs. Evola considered the modern world the Kali Yuga, and this theory is arguably his greatest and his most lasting contribution to the various segments of the “Right-wing.” Here’s where Evola’s second life becomes important. Since the advent of the Internet as a forum for open and unlimited conversation, all kinds of political wonks and esoteric thinkers have taken up Evola’s standard of Radical Traditionalism. His views and work are regularly discussed on the websites Amerika and Alternative Right, while three of his books are proudly listed on the Dark Enlightenment’s reading list under the heading of “Reactionary Thought.”
http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2014/05/darling-dark-enlightenment-aristocratic-radical-traditionalist-julius-evola.html
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Potemkin wrote:Indeed. And this is the only element still missing from taxizen's neo-feudalism - a fanatical religious faith underpinning it all. Just one more step, taxizen, and your return to the loving embrace of the God-Emperor will be complete!


Well, I meant what I said Potemkin, except that my religious faith-I have found-is most clearly expressed in the social/economic order by Communism.
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Third Term wrote:Japanese fascists, who were mostly thinly-disguised Communists trying to do away with private property rights and create an egalitarian society without land-owning upper classes.

Indeed. When Yukio Mishima was giving a lecture to a group of extreme left-wing Japanese student activists in the 1960s, he engaged in a *ahem* 'lively' political debate with them afterwards. His final statement to them was: "We agree about almost everything, but I have an ace up my sleeve: the Emperor." That pretty much sums up the Japanese far-right, in my opinion.

annatar1914 wrote:Well, I meant what I said Potemkin, except that my religious faith-I have found-is most clearly expressed in the social/economic order by Communism.

Precisely, annatar. As I told you, the One True Faith awaits you....

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Potemkin wrote:Precisely, annatar. As I told you, the One True Faith awaits you....

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Well, I don't necessarily follow some of the propaganda about Stalin and the Soviet Union that comes from anti-communist sources, but he and his fellow Bolsheviks were certainly 'men of blood'.

I don't know of Julius Evola was a real Fascist, but I have a pretty good idea what he'd make of my link with Communism, with his ideas on Christianity, he would see it as curiously.... Inevitable. Maybe as I try to be a sincere and logical Christian, he would be right.
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Well, I don't necessarily follow some of the propaganda about Stalin and the Soviet Union that comes from anti-communist sources, but he and his fellow Bolsheviks were certainly 'men of blood'.

What effective Tsar has not been a 'man of blood', annatar? To rule, to guide the people through the storm of history, inevitably means to shed human blood.
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Potemkin wrote:What effective Tsar has not been a 'man of blood', annatar? To rule, to guide the people through the storm of history, inevitably means to shed human blood.


And many rulers have been saints, too, even as they were 'men of blood'. But i'm not convinced that Stalin wasn't an Atheist, much less an Orthodox Believer, although some apocryphal stories of him and his wartime secret conversion vis-a-vis the Blessed Matrona of Moscow may be true. What do you think?
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And many rulers have been saints, too, even as they were 'men of blood'. But i'm not convinced that Stalin wasn't an Atheist, much less an Orthodox Believer, although some apocryphal stories of him and his wartime secret conversion vis-a-vis the Blessed Matrona of Moscow may be true. What do you think?

Stalin was trained as a priest, as you know annatar. And one of his bodyguards claimed to have witnessed him, during the Great Patriotic War, kneeling before an ikon of the Holy Mother, and crossing himself. He was convinced that Stalin was a believer. Furthermore, Stalin gave orders during the Siege of Leningrad to have a miracle-working ikon of the Holy Mother and Child carried in procession around the perimeter of the city, to call upon the protection of the Lord of Hosts against the forces of evil. It seemed to work, too....
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Potemkin wrote:Stalin was trained as a priest, as you know annatar. And one of his bodyguards claimed to have witnessed him, during the Great Patriotic War, kneeling before an ikon of the Holy Mother, and crossing himself. He was convinced that Stalin was a believer. Furthermore, Stalin gave orders during the Siege of Leningrad to have a miracle-working ikon of the Holy Mother and Child carried in procession around the perimeter of the city, to call upon the protection of the Lord of Hosts against the forces of evil. It seemed to work, too....


Thanks for the information, I did know about his seminary training, but not the rest. It's very possible he would've been overthrown by his Theomachist comrades had his Orthodoxy been discovered if that's the case, and perhaps we have then another and maybe even primary motive for his poisoning, and the eventual destruction of the Soviet Union the results of we see today...
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Thanks for the information, I did know about his seminary training, but not the rest. It's very possible he would've been overthrown by his Theomachist comrades had his Orthodoxy been discovered if that's the case, and perhaps we have then another and maybe even primary motive for his poisoning, and the eventual destruction of the Soviet Union the results of we see today...

Anything is possible, annatar. Strange things were happening in Moscow in the early 1950s....
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Potemkin wrote:Anything is possible, annatar. Strange things were happening in Moscow in the early 1950s....


As i've heard.

At any rate, I see Evola's antipathy to Christianity as being directly related to all this, as his boner for Neitzsche shows among other things.
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At any rate, I see Evola's antipathy to Christianity as being directly related to all this, as his boner for Neitzsche shows among other things.

I'm inclined to agree with you, annatar. The true enemy of Christ was not in Moscow....
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Superstition doesn't really equate with belief. I for instance avoid breaking mirrors even though I know it will have zero effect on my luck. Having a holy ikon paraded around among orthodox people isn't much different. Kinda like how western atheists frequently use statements like oh my god.
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Potemkin wrote:I'm inclined to agree with you, annatar. The true enemy of Christ was not in Moscow....


No, never in Moscow. Evola may have been an 'esotericist', but there are others out there with beliefs very different from his.

Dagoth Ur, it's possible for things to be in the way you describe of course, but given the political situation it would be hard to tell. And yet, there are a few signs that suggest otherwise. And of course I judge the state of nobody's soul anyways.
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Well of course. Stalin's faith is between him and God alone. Regardless he was a functional atheist in policy and action.

Actually now that I say this I reject the notion I just used. I'm just calling materialism by another name with "functional atheism" and I'm using anti-materialist theocratic rhetoric to boot.

Sorry guys.
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Actually now that I say this I reject the notion I just used. I'm just calling materialism by another name with "functional atheism" and I'm using anti-materialist theocratic rhetoric to boot.

Sorry guys.

As Nietzsche pointed out, we can say that God is dead as often as we like, but God lives on in our grammar....
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Potemkin wrote:Indeed. And this is the only element still missing from taxizen's neo-feudalism - a fanatical religious faith underpinning it all. Just one more step, taxizen, and your return to the loving embrace of the God-Emperor will be complete!

Well, it is true that a monarch is supposed to be something more than a mere warlord, he is supposed to be wise and good. He supposed to be favoured by the divine. The universal symbol of monarchy is the crown, and the crown is the symbol of the halo, aura and 7th chakra. The monarch is a fusion of warrior and priest.
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The universal symbol of monarchy is the crown, and the crown is the symbol of the halo, aura and 7th chakra.

Precisely. In Britain, hardcore supporters of the monarchy talk about the "mystique" of monarchy. This is what they mean - the monarch is human, and yet also and simultaneously more than human. This is the sacral aspect of kingship, and without it the monarch would be no more than a glorified petty warlord or politician. You may as well just call him 'Mr. President'. There is hope for you yet, taxizen - most so-called 'monarchists' don't even understand the symbolic origins of the crown; at least you understand that much.
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