I Guess I'm a 'Fascist'-and I feel fine-Help! - Politics Forum.org | PoFo

Wandering the information superhighway, he came upon the last refuge of civilization, PoFo, the only forum on the internet ...

The non-democratic state: Platonism, Fascism, Theocracy, Monarchy etc.
Forum rules: No one line posts please.
#14371911
Took a political quiz today and here are the results;


You Scored as Fascist

You are a fascist. You believe that the state comes first and you believe that the past is something we should return to. You follow Mussolini's ideology.

Fascist
75%
Anarchist
54%
Socialist
54%
Communist
50%
Republican
43%
Democrat
36%



I'm not really upset by this, as I was pretty Fascistic in my ideology originally, but I have some lingering anarchistic feelings due to a past tradition historically of Fascism's betrayal by the very States they labor to support. I need to figure that out, how to resolve that antipathy which I see as a weakness within Fascism.

I'm well aware of political Fascistic variants like Strasserism, etc....But the point remains that these variants became sidelined and marginalized, as thus did Fascism itself.
#14372155
Fascism falls because it's base tends to be the petite bourgeoisie that oppose both the proletariat and the haute bourgeoisie. And so the net result is to fall into a system to protect its gains and representation via the state; which becomes a kind of bonapartism that itself strips away the gains of the petite bourgeousie, leaving the entire thing unstable.

Trotsky wrote:We said above that Bonapartism of fascist origin is incomparably more stable than the preventive Bonapartist experiments to which the big bourgeoisie resorts in the hope of avoiding fascist bloodletting. Nevertheless, it is still more important – from the theoretical and practical point of view – to emphasize that the very fact of the regeneration of fascism into Bonapartism signifies the beginning of its end. How long a time the withering away of fascism will last, and at what moment its malady will turn into agony, depends upon many internal and external causes. But the fact that the counterrevolutionary activity of the petty bourgeoisie is quenched, that it is disillusioned, that it is disintegrating, and that its attack upon the proletariat is weakening, opens up new revolutionary possibilities. All history shows that it is impossible to keep the proletariat enchained with the aid merely of the police apparatus. It is true that the experience of Italy shows that the psychological heritage of the enormous catastrophe experienced maintains itself among the working class much longer than the relationship between the forces which engendered the catastrophe. But the psychological inertia of the defeat is but a precarious prop. It can crumble at a single blow under the impact of a powerful convulsion. Such a convulsion – for Italy, Germany, Austria, and other countries – could be the success of the struggle of the French proletariat.
#14372163
Nazism was highly successful until it invaded the Soviet union. Hitler led his nation to catastrophe on June 22 1941, but his assumption that he only had to kick in the door was a widely held prejudice and far from implausible after Stalin's Finish debacle. If we compare what Nazism achieved in its first ten and a bit years to what Bolshevism had achieved by the beginning of 1928 it compares rather well.
#14372231
Technology wrote:Mussolini: "Every anarchist is a baffled dictator."


He would know, and Anarchists and Marxists alike were saddened if not enraged when Mussolini made his transition. Myself, I have no desire to be a Dictator, but see where it could be said of anyone who wants to smash the present system and create a new political order.

These days, the closest I could say to 'my position' is an National Anarchist one, but i'd love to find a way back to a more Fascist ideology if I could resolve the problem of the State and what it does to National Movements.

I think 'opportunism' presents itself as a Fascist's temptation in particular, because taking on the machinery of the previous political order seems to be a short-cut to carrying on a more-or-less quiet revolution from within instead of a messy violent revolution which one could very well lose. Personally, I would have loved to have seen Mussolini's 'march on Rome' in 1919 result in both the House of Savoy and the Vatican being given the boot out of Italy, but that might not have worked. And Yet.... It seems to me that since these Oligarchs betrayed him anyway in 1942, Mussolini did not demonstrate foresight to a great degree.
#14380618
Seen the light with contemplation of the life of Codreanu.

The State is to be embraced, no matter the hardship or outcome. Fascists embrace the paradox of life and stare into the abyss of death as heroes. The State is only a tool wielded by the Organic Nation, and if traitors prosper and heroes are martyred by the working of the State, the very sacred soil of the Nation raises up men to take their place, men inspired by those who shed their blood upon the soil of the Land in times before.
#14380637
annatar1914 wrote:Seen the light with contemplation of the life of Codreanu.

The State is to be embraced, no matter the hardship or outcome. Fascists embrace the paradox of life and stare into the abyss of death as heroes. The State is only a tool wielded by the Organic Nation, and if traitors prosper and heroes are martyred by the working of the State, the very sacred soil of the Nation raises up men to take their place, men inspired by those who shed their blood upon the soil of the Land in times before.


That's beautiful.
#14380649
Technology wrote:It's kind of weird to go from "SMASH THE STATE!" to "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state" just like that though, or maybe you can say you just knocked the "an" off of your "archy"?


Even with some of my more anarchistic mood periods, I think I was more disgusted with the State for what it wasn't but should be, for what it is in practice in the modern world today.

I'm still a 'Primitivist' of sorts, with the machinery of government restricted by the limits placed upon technology, but the 'total State' I envision is all the more total because of it's organic identification with society; culture, religion, nation. In fact, I see society as in essence 'Trinitarian', with the State as that aspect of society by which the national community is ruled, the Movement as that aspect of society by which the mass energies of society are mobilized for societal aims, and the Church as that aspect of society by which the divinization of mankind is accomplished and the larger teleological purposes of which the particular ethnos/nation is to play a universal role are taught, being the Universal patrimony of Memory and of Telos that is God's gift to each Nation in general. Every Nation has it's role to play.

'Fascism' is thus not an 20th century Ideology so much as it is a kind of 'Antibody' of a Nation's immune system, when it is under attack by elements bent on that Nation's social death and destruction. Therefore, Abraham Lincoln was a 'Fascist', Marcus Garvey was a 'Fascist', Gaddafi was a 'Fascist', and today if Vladimir Putin seems to be more 'Fascistic' in defending Russia as time goes on, or the PRC in China, that's a good thing. Even Zionism can be better if the more Fascistic it becomes, uprooted in the Soil from which it was torn, the Blood yet remembers, and elsewhere it is only a dead inorganic thing, bringing death to whatever the Un-Nation touches...

Again, i'm probably more influenced by the Orthodox and Romanian Fascism of Codreanu's 'Iron Guard', the Legion of st. Michael the Archangel, than by Mussolini. Mussolini should've booted out the Vatican and the House of Savoy in 1919 I thought at first, but then again Fascists work with the material they have in place and are more pragmatic than other types of revolutionaries. A Leader's 'failure' lies in the limitations put upon the natural development of the people of the Nation, and embodies those limitations as well as that Nation's aspirations. This is why I think a Fascist can rightfully critique Fascist Leaders and Nations, but should also be loyal and honorable in that critique.
#14389462
@Annatar1914 I myself have taken various political test, at different times, and have gotten diverse results, Anything from anarchism, to social democracy, to Communism, to Fascism. I've come to conclude that on-line political tests say more about the views of the one whom created it, than the one taking it. And also, I to would like to see what result I'd get on the test you referenced.
#14389540
Rich wrote:Nazism was highly successful until it invaded the Soviet union. Hitler led his nation to catastrophe on June 22 1941, but his assumption that he only had to kick in the door was a widely held prejudice and far from implausible after Stalin's Finish debacle. If we compare what Nazism achieved in its first ten and a bit years to what Bolshevism had achieved by the beginning of 1928 it compares rather well.


After ten years i.e. by early 1943 the reich was practically doomed. It wasn't the fault of the bolsheviks that they inherited a backward country--unlike Germany--but they certainly made it stronger, in time. It's a bit contradictory to say the nazis did better but were doomed by the attack on the USSR.
#14389664
Let's also not forget that Nazi Germany wouldn't have even had the material capability to attack the USSR without the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Some claim this was a betrayal of the Union since Nazi germany used those materials to invade the country they came from, but better it be Soviet steel for awhile and then invasion of Berlin rather than American steel and a western-sanctioned conquering of Moscow.

Doesn't he have billions in Truth social (you pos[…]

Russia-Ukraine War 2022

The "Russian empire" story line is inve[…]

I (still) have a dream

Even with those millions though. I will not be ab[…]

Based on what? On simple economics. and in t[…]