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So I have heard of this ideology called Integralism. I go by the wikipedia definition, which I know is not reliable, but I could not find anything else about it after searching around.

1) So what exactly is Integralism and how does it differ from fascism?

2) According to Wikipedia, Integralists want trade unions or national syndicalism. Can you oppose that and still call yourself and Integralist?

3) What about personal rights?
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http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/fascism ... 1493123353

http://integralism.com/

I'm sure Rei or FRS could point you to some appropriate sources.

What is your point of interest in integralism? I'm puzzled by your apparent opposition to unions; why would you be interested in integralism? There is also a Catholic integralism popular in the US (Ronald McArthur).
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I was a fascist for a very brief time and left because I felt like it put too much trust in the state, so I was wondering if Integralism is less radical version of fascism.

As for my opposition to unions, I consider it a socialist thing and I am a capitalist because I think it works.

I am also Protestant instead of Catholic.
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Unions aren't necessarily socialist. Their just groups of workers who come together to negotiate with the employer. They could also advocate for socialism or work under a socialist ideology but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. (Historically they have been of course)

In general (FRS or rei would be much more knowledgeable) fascists attempt to bring unions in on the governing process along with industry.

A good thing to look up would be syndicalism, its a socialist thing but IIRC integralism takes it and makes it more nationalistic and right wing.
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VerminLord wrote:1) So what exactly is Integralism and how does it differ from fascism?

Integralism is a clerical movement and stresses localism rather than centralisation. It's based on completely different philosophical foundations as well, so the only real similarity between fascism and integralism is that they produce states that have similar systems of state mediation between capital and labour.

VerminLord wrote:2) According to Wikipedia, Integralists want trade unions or national syndicalism. Can you oppose that and still call yourself and Integralist?

If you oppose unions and syndicalism on purpose (messing it up by accident is a different a matter altogether), then you automatically bar yourself from being an integralist. It would also prevent you from being a fascist as well.

A large part of the purpose of these movements is to bring capital and labour to the table for bargaining and to institutionalise that process. If you don't get to achieve that, that that is a serious failure.

VerminLord wrote:3) What about personal rights?

Which personal rights are you talking about, specifically?
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Rei Murasame wrote:If you oppose unions and syndicalism on purpose (messing it up by accident is a different a matter altogether), then you automatically bar yourself from being an integralist. It would also prevent you from being a fascist as well.

A large part of the purpose of these movements is to bring capital and labour to the table for bargaining and to institutionalise that process. If you don't get to achieve that, that that is a serious failure.

How do you plan on doing that in the first place?
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Integralism is decentralized to maximize the self determination of the folk. While fascism wants to channel the effort of the national community to a specific end, integralists see this autonomy as it's own reward. Integralism is more reactionary as it doesn't embrace the revolutionary aspects of fascism or it's class consciousness. It reflects the nature of its people. In France, embracing the Ancien Regime and Catholicism. In the United States it would likely be more libertarian - though this means some groups, such as FLDS, would be free to be much more controlling.

FRS and Rei are not integralists. They're too absolute, committed to the jihad. Integralists don't recognize truth and objective morality. FGC is Sudan is simultaneously moral in the Sudan and immoral in Canada. ISIS may be horrible, by our standards, but they are an organic national liberation movement. Thus, A sovereign Islamic State is preferable to any foreign liberal puppet democracy, regardless of how just, efficient, egalitarian, or wealthy that government is.
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VerminLord wrote:I was a fascist for a very brief time and left because I felt like it put too much trust in the state, so I was wondering if Integralism is less radical version of fascism.

As for my opposition to unions, I consider it a socialist thing and I am a capitalist because I think it works.

I am also Protestant instead of Catholic.


You're beginning to sound a lot closer to right-libertarian than integralism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-libertarianism

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