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Religion: Religion must be banned as well as the concept of a god. Even if both existed and were true, it breeds hope for the afterlife and not the motivation for the present as well as it normalizes the idea that judgment and punishment can only be truly held by a deity and not humans. I might be overanalyzing this bit but to me, it still makes sense.

Feminism: Men and women are equal, and our culture should reflect that.

Sex: This may be too radical, but to properly control the quality of care, parenting, and maybe genetics, children should, if possible, be grown artificially.

Drugs: They should be legal, but are nationalized, distributed with great care and are made to be nearly benign.

Economics: The Economy is organized into corporations where its appointed leaders and highest officials were trained at a young age into their craft so that more innovation could take place as pragmatists and dreamers alike build off on each other. Despite this, there is a wealth cap at around $60 000 000 as there is no damn way that someone 'deserves' more than that. All the economic information like absentee rates, productivity, etc. are sent to the government so they can properly coordinate in a Project Cybersyn-like economic system.

State: The state is a hierarchical structure in which at the top, the best and brightest are brought at the top. Those leaders are chosen as children because of the intelligence and charisma that they hold. Their early life will be watched with a close eye and will be confirmed by multiple child psychiatrists. The executive branch of government has supreme authority, but the supreme court which is directly voted by voters who have passed a test of political understanding and has attained a degree in a university can veto his decision or impeach him.

Nationalism & Culture: Nations are usually derived from a few cultures. As of now, those cultures are mainly Greek, Roman, Hindu, and Far-Eastern. The nation should merge the best of these root cultures like Roman discipline and architecture, Greek philosophy, Eastern ethics, and Hindu purity into the one truly human culture to conquer them all.
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It certainly is interesting. :D

Religion: I'd discourage it, for sure, but I find that good education balances out the bad things that religion can do. Great people can be religious and very good for society. Moderate religions are not a threat to any society.

Feminism: Agreed.

Sex: Artificial? Ummm... I prefer the good old-fashioned way. It seems to work. Licensing for parenting would make sense. You should have to take a course or two on parenting before you can have kids.

Drugs: Legalize them all and then do what Portugal does.

Economics: raise minimum wage. make a maximum wage, for sure. Better yet, make the maximum wage dependent upon the minimum wage that your company gives. eg. 20x the minimum wage is the top wage of a company.

State: I am not sure what you propose would work, as nurture is often more important than nature, when it comes to raising the best and brightest. Interesting take, mind you.

Cultures: I think we just need to let people be who they want to be and not over-analyze it. All cultures have good things about them.
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I think your "ideology" stems from religion, and as such is a self-liquidating proposition.

Sobit Asadullah wrote:Religion: Religion must be banned as well as the concept of a god.

Humans are hard-wired for belief systems. Banning something that is hard-wired is just an outlet for sadism.

Sobit Asadullah wrote:Feminism: Men and women are equal, and our culture should reflect that.

Men and women are not equal. The proposition of equality comes from religion such that we are all equal in the eyes of God. Socialists liked that part of Judeo-Christian tradition, so decided to cherry pick it and put it into a bucket of other ides they call "humanism". Egalitarianism comes straight from religion.

Sobit Asadullah wrote:Sex: This may be too radical, but to properly control the quality of care, parenting, and maybe genetics, children should, if possible, be grown artificially.

Test tube babies? I would think the capitalist state would embrace this idea so that women would not be able to use pregnancy as an excuse for not working outside the home such that they can be taxed and regulated by the state instead of campaigning for pregnancy leave.

Sobit Asadullah wrote:Drugs: They should be legal, but are nationalized, distributed with great care and are made to be nearly benign.

Governments are already deeply involved in the drug trade. In fact, the modern drug trade was effectively started by the British Empire, not by gangs, etc. Commercial enterprises also played a big role. Coca Cola used to contain refined coca (cocaine). 7-Up used to be called "the lithiated beverage," because it contained lithium. Lithiated 7-up was banned in 1948. We used to be able to purchase amphetamines (pep pills) over the counter too. That was also true of barbiturates. The military used to give out "goofballs" to make working in the tropics more tolerable. These practices have already been tried. They led to severe problems with addiction. Addiction typically leads to criminal behavior. It was the link between addiction and criminal behavior that led to banning what are now controlled substances.

A better idea is to have legalized drug usage in controlled areas. You can use drugs in a controlled district, but you cannot drive automobiles, operate machinery, use guns, vote, etc. While in the district, you would be a ward of the state. That would be a great way to address about 1/2 of the homeless problem.

Sobit Asadullah wrote:Economics: The Economy is organized into corporations where its appointed leaders and highest officials were trained at a young age into their craft so that more innovation could take place as pragmatists and dreamers alike build off on each other. Despite this, there is a wealth cap at around $60 000 000 as there is no damn way that someone 'deserves' more than that. All the economic information like absentee rates, productivity, etc. are sent to the government so they can properly coordinate in a Project Cybersyn-like economic system.

The economy is already organized to a great degree in corporations. A wealth cap limits the risks a person can take. For example, it would prevent someone like Elon Musk from launching a company like Tesla--proving that electric vehicles could be viable. Absentee rates, etc. are already effectively collected by the government, but they need to build inference engines to glean the data. Smart phones already send your location data to companies like Google and Apple, who sell it to the government.

Sobit Asadullah wrote:State: The state is a hierarchical structure in which at the top, the best and brightest are brought at the top. Those leaders are chosen as children because of the intelligence and charisma that they hold.

Why does this leave me thinking that we'd end up with Danny Bonaduce as president?
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Sobit Asadullah wrote:Religion: Religion must be banned as well as the concept of a god. Even if both existed and were true, it breeds hope for the afterlife and not the motivation for the present as well as it normalizes the idea that judgment and punishment can only be truly held by a deity and not humans. I might be overanalyzing this bit but to me, it still makes sense.


I'm in basic agreement here. The "god" notion is fiction born of ignorance and indeed, emphasis should be on real world achievement not some mythical "afterlife." The people should owe allegiance to the State and its great Leader not some mythical being.

Feminism: Men and women are equal, and our culture should reflect that.


There should be equal opportunity.

Sex: This may be too radical, but to properly control the quality of care, parenting, and maybe genetics, children should, if possible, be grown artificially.


Or genetically engineered.

Drugs: They should be legal, but are nationalized, distributed with great care and are made to be nearly benign.


Drugs are for degenerates of the kind spawned by a democratic/liberty oriented society, which emphasis individual gratification not real achievement under the State.

Economics: The Economy is organized into corporations where its appointed leaders and highest officials were trained at a young age into their craft so that more innovation could take place as pragmatists and dreamers alike build off on each other. Despite this, there is a wealth cap at around $60 000 000 as there is no damn way that someone 'deserves' more than that. All the economic information like absentee rates, productivity, etc. are sent to the government so they can properly coordinate in a Project Cybersyn-like economic system.


I don't know if you can be sure someone is really qualified, while still young, to run a corporation--unless he was specially engineered or cloned for the position. :) Btw automation might make most human workers, even managers, obsolete by 2050-2100.

State: The state is a hierarchical structure in which at the top, the best and brightest are brought at the top. Those leaders are chosen as children because of the intelligence and charisma that they hold. Their early life will be watched with a close eye and will be confirmed by multiple child psychiatrists.


Just like Plato's republic. I agree in principle with the first sentence. But bear in mind that "brightest" shouldn't mean just IQ. There are plenty of geniuses who are cretins in terms of political knowledge or ability.

The executive branch of government has supreme authority, but the supreme court which is directly voted by voters who have passed a test of political understanding and has attained a degree in a university can veto his decision or impeach him.


I have a problem with this. In order for authoritarianism to win out, its proponents, or society, must be convinced it's better than democracy. Here you have two contradictory principles at work. Even if you propose to limit the franchise to the relatively bright, it's better to just take the ideal of meritocracy to its logical conclusion and get rid of voting altogether. Don't let the fate of a ruler be determined by voting.
Let the inner circle get rid of a leader that may screw up.


Nationalism & Culture: Nations are usually derived from a few cultures. As of now, those cultures are mainly Greek, Roman, Hindu, and Far-Eastern. The nation should merge the best of these root cultures like Roman discipline and architecture, Greek philosophy, Eastern ethics, and Hindu purity into the one truly human culture to conquer them all.


I think ancient Rome provides a pretty good example for a future world leader but not the other cultures. The State should be based on secular ideology derived from science.
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Sobit Asadullah wrote:Religion: Religion must be banned as well as the concept of a god. Even if both existed and were true, it breeds hope for the afterlife and not the motivation for the present as well as it normalizes the idea that judgment and punishment can only be truly held by a deity and not humans. I might be overanalyzing this bit but to me, it still makes sense.Feminism: Men and women are equal, and our culture should reflect that.Sex: This may be too radical, but to properly control the quality of care, parenting, and maybe genetics, children should, if possible, be grown artificially.Drugs: They should be legal, but are nationalized, distributed with great care and are made to be nearly benign.Economics: The Economy is organized into corporations where its appointed leaders and highest officials were trained at a young age into their craft so that more innovation could take place as pragmatists and dreamers alike build off on each other. Despite this, there is a wealth cap at around $60 000 000 as there is no damn way that someone 'deserves' more than that. All the economic information like absentee rates, productivity, etc. are sent to the government so they can properly coordinate in a Project Cybersyn-like economic system.State: The state is a hierarchical structure in which at the top, the best and brightest are brought at the top. Those leaders are chosen as children because of the intelligence and charisma that they hold. Their early life will be watched with a close eye and will be confirmed by multiple child psychiatrists. The executive branch of government has supreme authority, but the supreme court which is directly voted by voters who have passed a test of political understanding and has attained a degree in a university can veto his decision or impeach him.Nationalism & Culture: Nations are usually derived from a few cultures. As of now, those cultures are mainly Greek, Roman, Hindu, and Far-Eastern. The nation should merge the best of these root cultures like Roman discipline and architecture, Greek philosophy, Eastern ethics, and Hindu purity into the one truly human culture to conquer them all.


I think you are an enemy to all mankind and I disagree with every singe one of your points and I would be willing to debate and refute every single one of them, with great pleasure.


Otherwise, welcome to POFO!! :D
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I think your ideology is an absurd edgelord fascist LARP that can only have come from watching far too much bad sci-fi, and spending too much time on Reddit and 4chan.

As such, you'll fit in very well on PoFo. Welcome. :lol:
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Heisenberg wrote:I think your ideology is an absurd edgelord fascist LARP that can only have come from watching far too much bad sci-fi, and spending too much time on Reddit and 4chan.As such, you'll fit in very well on PoFo. Welcome



:lol: :lol: :lol:

He and @Saeko might make a good couple, fashioning artificial babies together in allegiance to the Supreme Leader.....
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Religion: Religion must be banned as well as the concept of a god. Even if both existed and were true, it breeds hope for the afterlife and not the motivation for the present as well as it normalizes the idea that judgment and punishment can only be truly held by a deity and not humans. I might be overanalyzing this bit but to me, it still makes sense.


What Blackjack said. I am old. I am about the doable. Why lead with the impossible?

Feminism: Men and women are equal, and our culture should reflect that.


Men and women deserve equal protection under the law. That does not mean that they are 'the same'. Since they are not the same they should not always be treated the same.

Sex: This may be too radical, but to properly control the quality of care, parenting, and maybe genetics, children should, if possible, be grown artificially.


First. This has nothing to do with sex. That said. Nothing could stifle human creativity quicker than for all humans to have the same formative experience in youth. In a very few years, what we call creativity will be all our brains bring to the table. Your idea makes people redundant and they will be redundant soon enough.

Drugs: They should be legal, but are nationalized, distributed with great care and are made to be nearly benign.


Drugs are a health issue. They should be treated as that.

Economics: The Economy is organized into corporations where its appointed leaders and highest officials were trained at a young age into their craft so that more innovation could take place as pragmatists and dreamers alike build off on each other. Despite this, there is a wealth cap at around $60 000 000 as there is no damn way that someone 'deserves' more than that. All the economic information like absentee rates, productivity, etc. are sent to the government so they can properly coordinate in a Project Cybersyn-like economic system
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You sure make a lot of religious moral decisions for someone who does not like religion. The word "deserves" and you set the number at an arbitrary $60m? Wealth is not how much money you have. The sooner we understand that and embrace it, the better off we will be. As for Cybersyn...The problem with this is that it treats workers as little more than a transistor on a chip. You say this:
... its appointed leaders and highest officials were trained at a young age into their craft...


Should we call them My Lord or Sir CEO. Welcome to the meeting. This is his corporate highness Lord Richard, hereditary Baron of Microsoft.


State: The state is a hierarchical structure in which at the top, the best and brightest are brought at the top. Those leaders are chosen as children because of the intelligence and charisma that they hold. Their early life will be watched with a close eye and will be confirmed by multiple child psychiatrists. The executive branch of government has supreme authority, but the supreme court which is directly voted by voters who have passed a test of political understanding and has attained a degree in a university can veto his decision or impeach him.


Just to get started, why not go to Mensa and find people with ultra high IQ's? We can put them in charge. (Trust me. You don't want to do that.) Do you see the inconsistency in the above? You raise your royal class to rule then give their inferiors veto over them? You ask people who do not have the knowledge and have been deliberately kept from it to evaluate their decisions? It is like voting for medical licenses.

Nationalism & Culture: Nations are usually derived from a few cultures. As of now, those cultures are mainly Greek, Roman, Hindu, and Far-Eastern. The nation should merge the best of these root cultures like Roman discipline and architecture, Greek philosophy, Eastern ethics, and Hindu purity into the one truly human culture to conquer them all.


You are back at religion again. That is the dominant feature of all of the above cultures. But do you see how shallow is your characterization of the above? Take "Eastern Ethics". Tell me what that is. Talk to me about the "purity" of the caste system.

Tell me. You ignored the most dominant culture in the history of the world. That of the USA. Why did you do that? Are you going to call it Greek? Neoman may have something to say about that. Or Roman?

I see where you are going. You are seeking a unified theory of culture and philosophy. Atheists often do that. It is their great failing.

But you are a thinker and you have come to the right place. You will contribute well here. Try along the way to learn too. There are some very smart people posting here. Keep an open mind and it will change your life. It has changed mine.
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Hmmmmm... Very interesting.:lol: Well I see this battle-hardened cadre of intellectual veterans has experience with Fascist edgelords. Don't worry, despite my more totalitarian leanings, I don't screech about 'White Genocide' or 'Cultural Marxism' or 'Accelerationist Jordan Petersonism'. Much the opposite, but otherwise, thanks for the warm welcome! Now onto your concerns.

I should've been more specific when it came to Feminism and Economics. Of course, the Sexes aren't equal, but should have equal opportunity and my more radical artificial breeding thing reflects the fact that children, while they can give purpose to purposeless lives, chain women to the home. Plus thinking that people become redundant from the same formative years isn't too true. That type of living breeds camaraderie and equal oppurtunity. On economics, I just wanna say that I mean that most of my economic views are meant to make corporations subordinate to, and autonomous dependencies of the state.

I think that if you look at the ridiculous levels of cultural change that occurs, ridding humanity of religion seems like a simple task in comparison. I ignored the American culture because it is based on a few of the root cultures. I know that my characterization of those cultures is shallow, but that's solely for the sake of time and to characterize what's best about them. I just realized that 'Eastern Ethics' and Hindu purity were bad ways to characterize them. Instead, I'd say Eastern togetherness and collectivism.

PS. I've come around on the Government's checks and balances. A directly elected supreme court will solve nothing.
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Sobit Asadullah wrote:Plus thinking that people become redundant from the same formative years isn't too true. That type of living breeds camaraderie and equal oppurtunity.


Right and in addition genetic differences can mean radically different outcomes despite the same environment.

On economics, I just wanna say that I mean that most of my economic views are meant to make corporations subordinate to, and autonomous dependencies of the state.


Subordinate certainly.

I think that if you look at the ridiculous levels of cultural change that occurs, ridding humanity of religion seems like a simple task in comparison.


I think it can be done eventually but it would require, besides greater progress and knowledge, a replacement belief system--an ultimate secular ideology. As I've said, the French revolutionaries and communists gave christianity some real competition in their heydays, despite not having (at a guess) 1% of the progress needed for an ultimately successful challenge. :)


I ignored the American culture because it is based on a few of the root cultures. I know that my characterization of those cultures is shallow, but that's solely for the sake of time and to characterize what's best about them. I just realized that 'Eastern Ethics' and Hindu purity were bad ways to characterize them. Instead, I'd say Eastern togetherness and collectivism.


Right what's needed is a new culture, antithetical to American individualism and degenerate hedonism.

PS. I've come around on the Government's checks and balances. A directly elected supreme court will solve nothing.


Just like a directly elected legislature....

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