- 28 Feb 2017 22:17
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Parts 1 and 2 can be read here and here, respectively:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=167530
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=167955
Part III
The Moral Argument Against God's Existence
1. If God exists, then objective morals exist.
2. Objective morals do not exist.
3. Therefore, God does not exist.
First, it should be clear that the argument is logically valid. In propositional logic, this is known as Modus Tollens, or denying the consequent. I shouldn't have to explain why, as it should be intuitively obvious to anyone who isn't a total retard.
But are the two premises true?
A Christian is in fact forced to accept (1) as being true. If a Christian denies (1), he would in turn be denying that God is perfectly good. This would go against the very essence of what God represents for the Christians. If we accept that God is perfectly good, it must logically follow that his moral actions and moral commands are objectively good by their own nature. We can dig deeper into the truth of this claim if we need to. I will be glad to expound more on it if there are questions that need to be answered. For now though, I think it's safe to say that we can confidently accept the truth of (1).
What about (2)? Well first, let's examine whether there's any good reason to believe that objective morals do exist. To say that something is objectively true is to say that it is true independent of anyone's opinion. Now, this in and of itself is very curious. In other words, in order for something to be objectively true, we cannot rely on our own opinions to know that something is objectively true. Therefore, an individual who claims that morals are objective has no basis to make that claim other than his own personal, subjective opinion. In other words, the claim that morals are objective is self defeating. I think then, that we have no good reason to believe that objective morality exists. This needs to be expounded on much more, which I would also be glad to do for those who have questions. For now, I just wanted to lay out a basic outline for this argument, and give reasons for why the premises are more plausibly true than their negation. I’m aware it requires much more rigorous analysis than this, but there you go.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=167530
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=167955
Part III
The Moral Argument Against God's Existence
1. If God exists, then objective morals exist.
2. Objective morals do not exist.
3. Therefore, God does not exist.
First, it should be clear that the argument is logically valid. In propositional logic, this is known as Modus Tollens, or denying the consequent. I shouldn't have to explain why, as it should be intuitively obvious to anyone who isn't a total retard.
But are the two premises true?
A Christian is in fact forced to accept (1) as being true. If a Christian denies (1), he would in turn be denying that God is perfectly good. This would go against the very essence of what God represents for the Christians. If we accept that God is perfectly good, it must logically follow that his moral actions and moral commands are objectively good by their own nature. We can dig deeper into the truth of this claim if we need to. I will be glad to expound more on it if there are questions that need to be answered. For now though, I think it's safe to say that we can confidently accept the truth of (1).
What about (2)? Well first, let's examine whether there's any good reason to believe that objective morals do exist. To say that something is objectively true is to say that it is true independent of anyone's opinion. Now, this in and of itself is very curious. In other words, in order for something to be objectively true, we cannot rely on our own opinions to know that something is objectively true. Therefore, an individual who claims that morals are objective has no basis to make that claim other than his own personal, subjective opinion. In other words, the claim that morals are objective is self defeating. I think then, that we have no good reason to believe that objective morality exists. This needs to be expounded on much more, which I would also be glad to do for those who have questions. For now, I just wanted to lay out a basic outline for this argument, and give reasons for why the premises are more plausibly true than their negation. I’m aware it requires much more rigorous analysis than this, but there you go.