[Saeko]

Here's an excellent video from (in my opinion) the best Youtuber of the Youtube-Atheist era:

[Godstud]

Two killed on Portland train after 'defending Muslims'
Two men stabbed to death as they tried to stop suspect bullying Muslim women on light-rail train, Oregon police say.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/k ... 48396.html

So is this Islamophobia or someone Criticising Islam?

[noir]

This term used by Islamophiles is awful. It's like to say Naziphobia. Many anti Islamophobia campaigners are harsh Judeophobes and antisemites.

[Saeko]

Two killed on Portland train after 'defending Muslims'
Two men stabbed to death as they tried to stop suspect bullying Muslim women on light-rail train, Oregon police say.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/k ... 48396.html

So is this Islamophobia or someone Criticising Islam?

You'd know, and would also probably have something worthwhile and intelligent to say, if you'd bothered to watch the video.

[Godstud]

I can't be bothered wasting my time by watching propaganda videos, let alone a 42 minute one.

[Saeko]

I can't be bothered wasting my time by watching propaganda videos, let alone a 42 minute one.

What specifically makes you think it's a "propaganda" video?

[SolarCross]

It is a very good video, nice find Saeko.

[MememyselfandIJK]

I understand that it is directed at terrorism, but I can think of a dozen other solutions that it can apply to, like these forums. We need to attack ideas more, not people.

[Paradigm]

It is in fact possible to criticize certain religious doctrines without demonizing billions of people who follow that religion. For reference, making grand pronouncements about "barbarians" and "savages" or "clash of civilizations" is not the way to do that.

[Suntzu]

Yeah, folks who push queers of building or burn people in cages are not barbarians.

[MememyselfandIJK]

Didn't Christians do that last time church and state weren't separated?

[Decky]

Church and state are still not separate in the Christian world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_Spiritual

[MememyselfandIJK]

I mean like Middle Ages. Nowadays, they have to stay mostly undercover.

[Godstud]

You mean Christian church and state, like in Uganda, where up until recently(2014) they had an anti-gay law where a person could suffer life imprisonment ?

[MememyselfandIJK]

@Godstud How about the fact that in the US child marriage is still legal and frighteningly common, especially after cases of rape

[Godstud]

“Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.”

― Mark Twain


Also:
Practice of Female Genital Mutilation has no relationship with religion. Muslims and Christians practice it, but it is more widely spread in Christian predominated parts of Nigeria.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3507121/

[MememyselfandIJK]

Even better: when it is both a good story and the truth

[Buzz62]

Fantastic vid Saeko. Thanks.

I have always found it more than a coincidence that the 3 "Abrahamic" religions are the source of abject violence and discrimination over and over throughout history. Yet we big-brained animals who pride ourselves on our enhanced powers of reason and understanding, have completely missed the boat when it comes to "The Dirty Three".
Islam, Christianity and Judaism will forever be at each other's throats until we, big-brained animals actually use our enhanced powers to reason that these 3 doctrines are political by nature, cause more friction than they are worth, and should be treated accordingly.

[Oxymandias]

@Saeko

I think I have a good definition:

Islamophobia - An irrational hatred of and an obsession with, Muslims and Islam. Islamophobes often make large, sweeping generalizations about Islam and Muslims (i.e. Islam is the worst thing in the world, Muslims are the worst thing in the world) and often use hyperbole to support their points.

Islamophobes often are white nationalists, conservatives, neo-conservatives, fascists, neo-reactionaries, far-right extremists, and New Atheists.

Criticizing Islam - Critics of Islam often only target the religion and refrain from talking about Muslims attacking Islam as an idea. Critics of Islam do not making sweeping generalizations of Islam and often have read the Quran. They often cite certain hadiths and surahs from the Quran while putting them in context and then criticize them.

Often these people can be anyone although anyone who is likely to be an Islamophobe (i.e. the groups I listed in the above definition) is less likely to be a critic of Islam.

[ArtAllm]

Here's an excellent video from (in my opinion) the best Youtuber of the Youtube-Atheist era:

If a religious or even a post-religious group is masquerading as a "race" or an "ethnicity", then this group can easily shut down any criticism of its own behaviour, labelling their perceived enemies as "racists" and "haters".

BTW, I am not necessarily talking about Islam.