[Buzz62]

Then you are not equal to me! By your own logic!

Let me know how you enjoy not being equal to me!

Thank you, and thank Gawd!
Now at least I can enjoy the long weekend with a clean conscience.

[Pants-of-dog]

Thank you, and thank Gawd!
Now at least I can enjoy the long weekend with a clean conscience.

No doubt.

Are you also one of these guys who think Muslims are bad because they are sexist, while simulthinking that sexism is right and women are not politically equal to men?

[Oxymandias]

@noir

So? How is that a plus?

[Buzz62]

The BBC is protecting the Islamic backward culture

EXACTLY!

Great post noir.

POD:
I never said "Muslims are bad" or that "women are not politically equal to men".
Who the hell do you think you're foolin' here? Is it that cold in Edmonchuk that your brains freeze?

sigh...

Is it some sort of "underdog thing"? A guilt complex? What is it that drives people to fight for things that are outwardly detrimental to our society?
Canada has a fairly good immigration system. Yes "Pixey-Dust" is allowing Muslim refugees into our country...at our expense...being given more than a Canadian citizen would get for welfare...
Be that as it may, our immigration system is fairly good. Even Trumpy likes it.
However, we "the west" have recently completed the destruction of Iraq, and the continuance of the Afghan mess that the Russians started. We've collectively fucked over the entire ME in one way or another, over the last 75 or so years. And we know, as evidenced by acts of violence on girls, random people, etc. within Canada, by legal Muslim immigrants, that there does exist a cultural difference that causes some of these immigrants to lash out at our society in violent ways. And for any number of reasons, this should not be unexpected. But knowing what we know, and considering the crisis Europe has on its hands, is it wise to be helping these people get onto the North American continent right now?

Probably not huh?

[Pants-of-dog]

POD:
I never said "Muslims are bad" or that "women are not politically equal to men".

Your views on the equality of women are not qualitatively different than those of a conservative Muslim. Why is it bad when the Muslims do it, but not when you do it?

Who the hell do you think you're foolin' here? Is it that cold in Edmonchuk that your brains freeze?

sigh...

Is it some sort of "underdog thing"? A guilt complex? What is it that drives people to fight for things that are outwardly detrimental to our society?

Your insults are irrelevant and immature.

Canada has a fairly good immigration system. Yes "Pixey-Dust" is allowing Muslim refugees into our country...at our expense...being given more than a Canadian citizen would get for welfare...

Provide evidence for this claim.

Be that as it may, our immigration system is fairly good. Even Trumpy likes it.
However, we "the west" have recently completed the destruction of Iraq, and the continuance of the Afghan mess that the Russians started. We've collectively fucked over the entire ME in one way or another, over the last 75 or so years.

Yes...

And we know, as evidenced by acts of violence on girls, random people, etc. within Canada, by legal Muslim immigrants, that there does exist a cultural difference that causes some of these immigrants to lash out at our society in violent ways. And for any number of reasons, this should not be unexpected.

Provide evidence for this claim.

But knowing what we know, and considering the crisis Europe has on its hands, is it wise to be helping these people get onto the North American continent right now? Probably not huh?

I think we should be addressing the root causes of immigration which would then slow immigration to a trickle.

But conservatives seem to think otherwise.

[ingliz]

is it wise to be helping these people get onto the North American continent right now?

Why would it be foolish?

Police officers are telling us the Syrian newcomer community is not posing any problems we would not see in any other community.

[Buzz62]

Your views on the equality of women are not qualitatively different than those of a conservative Muslim. Why is it bad when the Muslims do it, but not when you do it?

In your opinion...

Provide evidence for this claim.

Families of refugees can receive a maximum of $25,000 CAD ($18,222 USD) per year, while single people will receive less than half that.

https://news.vice.com/article/most-syrian-refugees-coming-to-canada-will-live-below-the-poverty-line

My wife came here as a refugee of the Soviet Union. She was put in a holding cell for a month, and then kicked out on basic welfare.

I think we should be addressing the root causes of immigration which would then slow immigration to a trickle.

But conservatives seem to think otherwise.

Tell ya what...you fly over to Syria and do just that. Let us know how your progress eh?

[Pants-of-dog]

In your opinion...

What are you talking about? My opinion was neither communicated nor is it relevant.

Now, answer the question.

https://news.vice.com/article/most-syri ... verty-line

And how does that support your claim?

After reading it, it seems not to, as the article itself claims that these payments are tied to the welfare patments. In other words, the two amounts are roughly the same. It actually contradicts your claim.

My wife came here as a refugee of the Soviet Union. She was put in a holding cell for a month, and then kicked out on basic welfare.

Irrelevant.

Tell ya what...you fly over to Syria and do just that. Let us know how your progress eh?

Provide evidence for your claim that refugees to Canada are attacking people.

Your insults are irrelevant and immature.

[noir]

The BBC is protecting the Islamic backward culture

In the imperial age, many Western powers (notably Germany but also Britain, Italy, Japan, France, Russia and America) regularly employed religious policies and propaganda to stir up the Muslim subjects of rival colonial powers. State media utilized pan-Islamic slogans as indispensable points of entry into Arab and Muslim hearts and minds. On recent dacades it was usually around Palestine, but what it the interest of Britain and the BBC to help Islam with this issue? How is it serving the British interests?

Add, it's probably pre Brexit leftover. Or not

[Buzz62]

Your views on the equality of women are not qualitatively different than those of a conservative Muslim.

Not only is that your opinion...but it's wrong. But you don't seen terribly observant so...

The article says...

Families of refugees can receive a maximum of $25,000 CAD ($18,222 USD) per year, while single people will receive less than half that.

This is for the first year, but it is already WAY more than any Canadian welfare recipient can hope for.
Please try to keep up.

My wife's refugee experience is irrelevant?
Man ur a real piece o' work, aren't ya.

Like I said...go fix the root cause.

[Pants-of-dog]

Not only is that your opinion...but it's wrong.

Explain how it is wrong.

Or answer the question.

But you don't seen terribly observant so...

Your insults are irrelevant and immature.

The article says... This is for the first year, but it is already WAY more than any Canadian welfare recipient can hope for.
Please try to keep up.

From your link:

While the Trudeau government gets feted for its efforts to take in scores of Syrians displaced by ongoing fighting, advocates are worried that the government isn't doing enough to support those refugees once they arrive.

One expert on migrant policy says the government funding is "woefully inadequate."

Families of refugees can receive a maximum of $25,000 CAD ($18,222 USD) per year, while single people will receive less than half that.

That support is available for the first 12 months of their stay in Canada or until they're able to take care of themselves financially — once they reach that point, the funding is cut off outright.

Financial support for refugees is tied to provincial social assistance rates, which are generally below the low-income cutoff rate — Canada's own interpretation of the poverty line — especially in high-cost urban centres like Toronto and Vancouver.

The Canadian Council for Refugees takes issue with exactly that, arguing that tying support to provincial welfare rates "causes huge challenges for newcomers" who are building their lives from scratch.

.....

Note that the text surrounding what you quoted directly contradicts your claim.

My wife's refugee experience is irrelevant?
Man ur a real piece o' work, aren't ya.

Yes, it is irrelevant.

Provide evidence for your claim that refugees to Canada are attacking people.

Like I said...go fix the root cause.

I do not need to go anywhere to do that.

First and most obvious step is for us to stop bombing the countries from which these refugees come.

[Buzz62]

$25,000 the first year, POD
What the fuck is wrong with you? I don't give a shit what some "Council for Refugees" has to say.
Their OPINION is obviously quite biased. As is yours.

You have no idea what it is to pick-up your life and leave for a country where you don't even speak the language.
Yet you have the audacity to claim my wife's experiences are irrelevant.

Ya know what's "irrelevant" POD?
YOU ARE!

[ingliz]

Terrorism in Canada 1960-2017

1960s

1960s - Sons of Freedom. Arson and bombings, mostly conducted in the nude, included the bombing of a railway bridge in Nelson, British Columbia in 1961.
1963-1969 - Front de libération du Québec (FLQ) starts a bombing campaign at the average rate of one every ten days. Targets included English owned businesses, banks, McGill University and the homes of prominent English speakers.
1963 FLQ bombing of Canadian Army Recruiting Centre in Montreal, killing Sgt. Wilfred V. O'Neil.
January 29, 1965 - Two U.S. jets (F-84s) being overhauled by Northwest Industries in Edmonton, Alberta were destroyed and a third damaged when a left-wing group protesting the Vietnam War dynamited the planes; a security guard was killed during the incident.
July 8, 1965 - A bomb destroyed Canadian Pacific Air Lines Flight 21 flying from Vancouver to Whitehorse, Yukon killing all 52 people on board. Source of the bomb was never discovered.
November 25, 1965 - Croatian nationalists bomb the Yugoslavian consulate in Toronto.
May 18, 1966 - Paul Joseph Chartier's attempt to bomb the House of Commons fails when the device goes off prematurely in a Centre Block washroom.
September 22, 1966 - A bazooka attack on the Cuban embassy in Ottawa, Ontario is made.
October 5, 1966 - Anti-Castro forces bomb the offices of the Cuban trade delegation in Ottawa.
January 29, 1967 - The Yugoslavian embassy in Ottawa and the consulate in Toronto are among six Yugoslavian offices bombed in North America.
May 31, 1967: A small bomb explodes at the Cuba Pavilion at Expo 67 in Montreal. The attack is attributed to Cuban Nationalist Action.
October 15, 1967: A bomb explodes at the offices of the native trade delegation in Montreal, Quebec.
February 13, 1969 - FLQ sets off a powerful bomb that rips through the Montreal Stock Exchange causing massive destruction and seriously injuring 27 people.
February 22, 1969 - FLQ terrorist bomb explodes at Liberal Party social club in Montreal, injuring two people.
May 29, 1969: A bomb is placed in the doorway of the Cuban consulate in Montreal, it fails to go off.
late 1960s - FLQ places a bomb in a window well of the National Defence Headquarters on Lisgar St in Ottawa, Ontario. The explosion killed a cleaning lady.
late 1960s - FLQ places a bomb in a mailbox next to the Canadian Tire store on Wellington St in Ottawa, Ontario.

1970s

October 5, 1970 - British diplomat James Cross and (on October 10) Quebec Minister of Labour Pierre Laporte are kidnapped by the FLQ in Montreal. (The dead body of Pierre Laporte was discovered in the trunk of a car in Montreal, Quebec on October 17, 1970, and the murderers were arrested on December 26, 1970; Cross was released on December 3, 1970.)
July 12, 1971: A small bomb goes off at the offices of the native trade delegation in Montreal, Quebec.
April 4, 1972: Cuban official Sergio Pérez Castillo is killed by an explosion at the Cuban consulate in Montreal, Quebec.
January 21, 1974: A bomb explodes at the Cuban embassy in Ottawa. It is attributed to Orlando Bosch.
September 22, 1976: An explosive device is thrown from a car at the Cuban consulate in Montreal.

1980s

January 14, 1980: A large explosion significantly damages the Cuban consulate in Montreal.
April 8, 1982 - Turkish Commercial Counsellor to Canada Kani Güngör is paralyzed after an attack by Armenian nationalists at his Ottawa, Ontario apartment.
August 23, 1982 - Turkish military attaché to Canada, Col. Atilla Altıkat, is assassinated by Armenian militants in Ottawa while sitting in his vehicle at a traffic light.
October 14, 1982 - The anarchist group the Squamish Five, who were Canadian version of Direct Action, bombs a Litton Industries factory north of Toronto, Ontario that is manufacturing guidance devices for American cruise missiles, ten are injured.
May 8, 1984 - Soldier Denis Lortie, a federalist, enters National Assembly with the intent of killing René Lévesque and the deputies of the Parti Québécois. Due to a great amount of chance, he came in too early and killed 0 deputies (but still killed 3 other people and wounded 13). Unarmed employee René Jalbert negotiated with Lortie for several hours and convinced him to give up his gun and get arrested. Jalbert got decorated the next week.
September 3, 1984 - Montreal Central Station is bombed, killing 3 people and wounding more than 30. Thomas Bernard Brigham, an elderly retired American armed forces officer, claims to have been protesting Pope John Paul II's visit to Canada.
March 12, 1985 - A group of Armenians seize the Embassy of the Republic of Turkey in Ottawa, killing a Canadian security guard.
June 23, 1985 - Both the 1985 Narita International Airport bombing and the Air India flight 182 explosion are believed to have been carried out by Sikh extremists living in Canada.
Air India flight 182 leaving Montreal, Quebec's Mirabel International Airport is blown up mid-flight to London, England.
an explosion at Tokyo Narita International Airport killed two baggage handlers, and injured four. The bomb was intended for Air India Flight 301, with 177 passengers and crew on board, bound for Bangkok International Airport.
May 26, 1986 - An attempt is made in Vancouver, British Columbia to assassinate Malkiat Singh Sidhu, a cabinet minister in the Indian province of Punjab.
August 28, 1988 - Indo-Canadian Times editor Tara Singh Hayer is shot and partially paralyzed, probably due to his statements connected to the Flight 182 investigation.
April 9, 1989 - Charles Yacoub hijacks a bus and drives it to Parliament Hill to protest the Syrian invasion of Lebanon.

1990s

April 20, 1995 - Roger Charles Bell places a bomb outside Province House, the Prince Edward Island legislature, injuring one.
November 18, 1998 - Hayer is assassinated.
December 14, 1999 - Ahmed Ressam, known as the Millennium Bomber, was arrested upon entering the United States by a ferry from Victoria, British Columbia. He was smuggling explosives in his car from Canada as part of a plot to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) on New Year's Eve 1999, as part of the foiled 2000 millennium attack plots.

2000s

2000 - The Brigade d'autodéfense du français bombs a church where an English fundraiser was to be held.
2001 - Quebec - The FLQ/The Brigade d'autodéfense du français firebombs three "Second Cup" locations in Montreal. They were targeted because of the company's use of its incorporated English name "Second Cup". Rhéal Mathieu, a previously convicted FLQ terrorist was convicted for all three bombings. Seven McDonald's restaurants were also firebombed.
October 2001 - Shortly after anthrax letters were found in the US, Office of British Columbia Premier Gordon Campbell received letter with white dust that was part of Anthrax hoaxes.
April 2004 - A Canadian Muslim of Lebanese descent firebombs the library of the United Talmud Torahs Montreal Jewish school.
2006 - In the 2006 Ontario terrorism plot, Canadian counter-terrorism forces arrested 18 terrorists (dubbed the "Toronto 18") inspired by al-Qaeda. They were accused of planning to detonate truck bombs, to open fire in a crowded area, and to storm the Canadian Broadcasting Centre, the Canadian Parliament building, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) headquarters, and the parliamentary Peace Tower, to take hostages and to behead the Prime Minister and other leaders.
October 2008 to July 2009 - Dawson Creek, British Columbia, Six natural gas pipelines owned by Encana Corp. were bombed after letters were sent to a local newspaper opposing the gas industry.

2010s

August 2010 - Misbahuddin Ahmed of Ottawa was arrested (later convicted in July 2014) of knowingly facilitating a terrorist activity and participation in the activities of a terrorist group.
September 4, 2012 - The night of the Quebec provincial elections, Richard Bain, an anglophone Quebecer attempted to assassinate Parti Québécois leader and Premier elect Pauline Marois at a victory gathering in Montreal. He also set fire to the Metropolis concert hall where the event was being held. A man was killed and another was injured in the terrorist act. It is said that Bain's ultimate goal was to kill Marois following the Parti Québécois victory. Bain was arrested shortly after the attack, is currently incarcerated and was undergoing trial in July 2016.
2013 - Chiheb Esseghaier and Raed Jaser of Montreal and Toronto, respectively, charged as part of an alleged Al Qaeda plot to derail a New York to Toronto train on the Canadian side of the border. Alleged plot was not imminent. Canadian Muslims helped to foil the alleged plot. The suspects said they were arrested based on their appearance.
2013 July 1 - Police announced the arrest of a Surrey man and woman on terrorism-related charges in a plot to detonate pressure cooker bombs outside the Legislature July 1. John Stewart Nuttall, whose lawyer described him as a convert to "Islam", and neighbours told reporters the two lived simply and listened to Islamic recordings.
October 20, 2014 – On October 20, 2014, two Canadian Forces members were hit by Martin Couture-Rouleau, a recent Muslim convert in what is known as the 2014 Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu ramming attack. Warrant officer Patrice Vincent died of his injuries. Couture-Rouleau was eventually gunned down and killed.
October 22, 2014 - Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a convert to Islam, fatally shot Corporal Nathan Cirillo, a Canadian soldier on ceremonial sentry duty at the Canadian National War Memorial in Ottawa, and then forced his way into Canada's parliament building, where he had a shootout with parliament security personnel. He was shot 31 times and died at the scene. Zehaf-Bibeau made a video prior to the attack in which he expressed his motives as being related "to Canada's foreign policy and in respect of his religious beliefs."
March 5, 2015 - While new anti-terrorism law was under consideration and months before federal election, four Conservative Party Members of Parliament (Denis Lebel, Steven Blaney, Christian Paradis and Maxime Bernier) received letters with white powder (Anthrax hoaxes) and message "Conservateurs, vous serez anéantis," which translates to "Conservatives, you will be annihilated" at their constituency offices in Quebec.
August 10, 2016 - Aaron Driver was killed in Strathroy, Ontario, in a confrontation with police after detonating an explosive in the back seat of a taxi. The confrontation followed a tip from the FBI that Driver had made a "martyrdom video" and was planning an attack on an urban area.
January 29, 2017 - During evening prayer at the Islamic Cultural Centre mosque in Quebec City, Quebec - one gunman entered and opened fire on Muslim worshipers killing six people and injuring nineteen (five critically). The gunman called police from a second location about 20 minutes after the shooting and was arrested by Quebec police without incident. The gunman, Alexandre Bissonnette from Quebec city, reportedly has extreme right-wing views that he shared online and at Laval University.

[Pants-of-dog]

$25,000 the first year, POD

Which works out to about $2000 a month for a family. How does that compare to welfare payments for a whole family?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Your insults are irrelevant and immature.

I don't give a shit what some "Council for Refugees" has to say.
Their OPINION is obviously quite biased. As is yours.

Then why did you cite an article almost exclusively about their analysis?

You have no idea what it is to pick-up your life and leave for a country where you don't even speak the language.
Yet you have the audacity to claim my wife's experiences are irrelevant.

Except I do. I am an immigrant who had to leave his country of birth because western governments supported a military dictatorship.

Ya know what's "irrelevant" POD?
YOU ARE!

Your insults are irrelevant and immature.

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Now, explain how you are not actually sexist, or how your sexism is somehow better than the sexism of Muslims.

Also, provide evidence for your claim that Muslim refugees are attacking people.

[Buzz62]

As I said...you are irrelevant.
Bye...

[Pants-of-dog]

As I said...you are irrelevant.
Bye...

As long as it is clear that you have no evidence for your claim that Muslim refugees are attacking people, and that there seems to be no qualitative difference between your sexism and the sexism of Muslims.

Your own evidence shows that Muslim refugees are being paid an amount roughly equal to welfare recipients, despite your claim.

You are exceedingly easy to debate.

[noir]

@ingliz terrorism is misnomer. You should call it jihad. What is the interest of Canada to import this time bomb?

[Pants-of-dog]

terrorism is misnomer. You should call it jihad. What is the interest of Canada to import this time bomb?

Please provide evidence that Muslim refugees are a threat to Canada.

[noir]

Islam by definition is a threat

[ingliz]

You should call it jihad.

Why?

Surely, of all people, you cannot have failed to notice that Canadian terrorists are predominantly White and Christian.

Christians don't do jihad; it's a Muslim thing.

jihad: noun an Islamic religious term.

the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

Origin

From Arabic jihād, literally ‘effort’, expressing, in Muslim thought, struggle on behalf of God and Islam.