Sivad wrote:There are systemic conspiracies where you have a large number of people who haven't orchestrated the conspiracy and haven't been formally initiated into it but are consciously and willfully complicit in it.
Sure, so if I take this at face-value, are you suggesting that automobile operators are consciously and willfully complicit in man-made climate change? Also, if you do not believe in man-made climate change, you may strike that notion and use big oil instead. Is this truly a conspiracy, or are you mincing words to get a point across? In which, you offer a social critique. A critique that has been expounded by many other people, mind you.
The establishment news media is a good example of that kind of conspiracy, the owners and the top journalists and editors are deliberately manipulating news and information in the interest of a corrupt establishment and everybody else in the industry is just going along to get along.
Again, propaganda follows conspiracy. Ignorance isn't an attribute of the word conspiracy. Deception IS an attribute of the word conspiracy. There must be collusion at the top (technically a conspiracy can take place at the top, middle, or bottom. But one at the top will most likely impact a large swath of people), propaganda and compartmentalization take care of the rest when the plan is put into motion. It's impossible to litigate your definition of a systemic conspiracy, and that's why it's an inaccurate definition. A functional legal system can prosecute conspiracies, but not an entire population, Sivad.
Yes, people are responsible for their actions (true change starts with the self. Go watch my video- Nutrition for the Shadow. Shadow, as in the Jungian subconscious), but deception is deception. And it's a key ingredient in the art of war. This of course, leads us to the notion that there is (and always has been) a war on consciousness. Minus anecdotal narratives, people are not naturally evil, people are not naturally good. People are like potter's clay. Is potter's clay evil or good?
They know what's expected of them and they play their part in the rigged system in exchange for the sweet status and the filthy filthy lucre.
This is a zealous and bombastic description of the average citizen. This kind of cynicism is not fruitful, hence why you're pushing everyone away by taking jabs at everything we say. A cynic is one who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
The system didn't rig itself, the world is a dastardly plan conceived by villains and carried out by whores.
I hope you're being facetious. You just told me that large systemic conspiracies control everyone, and that everyone is complicit in its execution because they're greedy. That's a very simplistic approach, and I'm not fond of your underhanded reasoning. Perhaps you should study criminology. Crime at the top typically affects crime at the bottom. This is, again, due to the nature of hierarchical organization. It certainly is a multifaceted problem (profit motives, search for identity, existential power trips, etc), but the world is not a one-dimensional plan conceived by villains and carried out by whores.
I'm not sure why you're so angry when you post on Pofo.Systemic-Conspiracy as Social Pathology
Many social systems theorists are considering this. The critique is- as groups become larger and more complex over time, psychopathic (sociopathic/narcissistic/borderline personality disorders) personality types rise to the top of the social pyramid. This is due to their lack of empathy or the way their brain is conditioned (child hood trauma/abuse) and/or wired. Once a psychopath has the opportunity to shape or influence policy, the group emulates the vision/direction. Hence a systemic and pathological conspiracy.
Despite fancy words and academic journals, this isn't a new phenomenon. Whole empires collapse when the wrong people are at the helm successively.
On a spiritual note: Secret societies, blackmail, and spiritual wickedness play a large role in psychopathy or parasitic social behavior.
Lastly, a run-of-the-mill conspiracy theory is an exercise in critical thinking. When a conspiracy theory becomes a pathological belief it's typically a cognitive coping mechanism and a sign of underlying psychological alienation/conflict. Mental illness is not always characterized by a belief in a conspiracy theory. Also, dogmatic tenacity is not always a sign of mental illness. Pofo has a knack for fostering psychological splitting (all-or-nothing/black-and-white thinking), and that kind of irrational dialogue can ruin discussion.
Be seeing you,-RT