[DoNotVoteBush]

Actually, you're mistaken this time my friend. When Clinton was in office, the debt that this country had was minimal, if not a surplus. Look at it now. Those zeros dont look very pretty to me. Funny how Bush came in, started spending like crazy, and then, gee I wonder how, the economy fell into trashes. Our dollar used to be 75 cents Canadian, before while Bush was in office. Now our dollar is worth less than a Canadian dollar. Can you see my point?

[Atromos]

perhaps the increase in defense budget and the 500 billion dollars per year (proposed, that means it'll be double that) could have lead us here, but in the grander scale, i dont blame it all on bush, but it's his job to run the country and help us out, and people arent blaming it ALL on him, they are blaming him for what he doesnt seem to be doing, and the proposed budget i hear increases deficit, but i didnt look over it with my accountant so i wouldnt know.

[Goranhammer]

The result of an economic cycle has a one-term delay (or four years to those not in the know).

When Clinton was in office, the debt that this country had was minimal, if not a surplus.

Can you see my point?

[clownboy]

Apparently, you're either really rich, or extremely poor, if you are poor, I'm sorry. However, the middle class DID NOT get ANYTHING from the tax cuts, what? a measly 100 dollars? Whats that going to get you? Ill tell you, jack squat, especially when the exchange rates begin to drop because of the 1/2 a TRILLION dollar deficit. Let me explain what a TRILLION is to you. It's a 1 (One) followed by 12 0s (zeros). Here it is written out numerically: 1, 000, 000, 000, 000. I highly doubt ANY of you has ever seen that many of anything ANYWHERE. Not even Bill Gates, the richest man in the world, has that much money. No wonder why the gas prices are going up, we have a really shitty economy because of a really shitty president. Perhaps, just a slight chance, if he stops lying through his teeth about the economy getting better, he'll actually be respected by me, but I highly doubt that.

Neither, I'm retired. My kids are middle to upper income, through hard work and education.

You're probably not old enough to have been aware when we had the REAL largest deficit. It took all of four whole years to get rid of, and getting rid of it was the primary cause the first President Bush didn't serve two terms.

Clinton came in on the upswing and continued to make the way clear for corporate mis-reporting and value not tied to profitability (you know, THAT bubble - you think it just developed in a vacuum?). His admin played every trick in the book to avoid you seeing the Man Behind The Curtain. He managed to keep the hood pulled over for six years, and forstall the end for another six months, by then he didn't care - he could let someone else clean up the mess from the overdue implosion.

What? You think Enron was squeaky clean until the day President Bush took the oath?

[QatzelOk]

Enron got Bush elected. It was always a stinking cesspool of corruption. It is a money making conglomerate that doesn't make anything. Get it?
And BobSall, I'm glad your children got what they got through hard work and education. But killing natives and racial prejudice and unequal opportunity probably helped them out too, like it does all middle-class white Americans. Oh, and killing all those indians, and stealing from the Third World... This helped too. The lesson from America to the rest of the world is, you want to get rich, buy a gun. Quite the leadership role for a fragile world.
As a taxpayer, as a parent, and as a North American consumer, I understand the motivation behind all the materialism here. But as an air-breathing mammal, I find it insane.
Let's all put magical gods behind us, and try to build a better world. Or your children won't even have one to plunder.

[clownboy]

Enron got Bush elected. It was always a stinking cesspool of corruption. It is a money making conglomerate that doesn't make anything. Get it?
And BobSall, I'm glad your children got what they got through hard work and education. But killing natives and racial prejudice and unequal opportunity probably helped them out too, like it does all middle-class white Americans. Oh, and killing all those indians, and stealing from the Third World... This helped too. The lesson from America to the rest of the world is, you want to get rich, buy a gun. Quite the leadership role for a fragile world.
As a taxpayer, as a parent, and as a North American consumer, I understand the motivation behind all the materialism here. But as an air-breathing mammal, I find it insane.
Let's all put magical gods behind us, and try to build a better world. Or your children won't even have one to plunder.

Read the thread (the Enron matter was in direct response to DNVFB) and I'm glad you agree with me that Enron wasn't President Bush's creation.

I think you may have confused posts - I'm the one who posted "My kids are middle to upper income, through hard work and education.". And by doing so, you fell into a trap of your own making - you assume my Daughter and her family are white. You're wrong. Her Mother was a Panamanian Indian (very poor and discriminated against in Panama). She's beautifully dark as a ripe berry, also born deaf in one ear. Hasn't slowed her down, she wouldn't allow it to.

As for your last crack - run your own damn country. Believe it or not (don't care), most of us here LIKE how the US is run. If you don't, fine, I encourage you to stay in Canada and do whatever you want to it. Let us know how Godlessness works out for ya.

[QatzelOk]

Canada is running its own country. The US is trying to control the world, like some wacked out James Bond villain. Nothing personal to you Bob, but I'm all in favour of letting other nations be themselves. That's why I was against the Iraq and Haitian tragedies that the US caused. Bush is not as bad as he seems. He is just the figurehead of a corrupt and dangerously aggressive supermonster.

[Britezinc]

Canada is running its own country. The US is trying to control the world, like some wacked out James Bond villain. Nothing personal to you Bob, but I'm all in favour of letting other nations be themselves.

The US is not trying to rule the world. The US is pursuing its own self-interest, just like every other country in the world. The US just happens to be powerful enough to pursue its own self-interest without asking for permission or seeking help.

That's why I was against the Iraq and Haitian tragedies that the US caused. Bush is not as bad as he seems. He is just the figurehead of a corrupt and dangerously aggressive supermonster.

The US is not behind every problem in the world. The US did not cause poverty in the Third World. The US does not cause every (or even most)civil wars in the world. The US did not create AIDS, or the situation in Palestine, or a million other problems that the rest of the world seems to blame the US for. The sitution in Haiti began because of a rebellion. Are you saying the US started the rebellion? I happened to oppose the war in Iraq, but Saddam Hussein didn't exactly go out of his way to avoid war. Anyway, Saddam Hussien started the entire mess when he invaded Kuwait.

[Goranhammer]

The US is not behind every problem in the world. The US did not cause poverty in the Third World. The US does not cause every (or even most)civil wars in the world. The US did not create AIDS, or the situation in Palestine, or a million other problems that the rest of the world seems to blame the US for. The sitution in Haiti began because of a rebellion. Are you saying the US started the rebellion? I happened to oppose the war in Iraq, but Saddam Hussein didn't exactly go out of his way to avoid war. Anyway, Saddam Hussien started the entire mess when he invaded Kuwait.

It's always easier to blame someone else. The glory of young innocence.

95% of the forum seems to think Bush has a Fu Man Chu, and kicks puppies while he walks. Oddly enough, it's also the percentage of people here with the letters T-E-E-N in their age.

Chalk it up to coincidence, I suppose. You'll find out soon enough.

[Britezinc]

95% of the forum seems to think Bush has a Fu Man Chu, and kicks puppies while he walks. Oddly enough, it's also the percentage of people here with the letters T-E-E-N in their age.

I actually plan to vote for Kerry, but this anti-Americanism is kind of annoying. I'm American and I'm both proud and glad I'm American. I understand I'm very fortunate being an American. Life is fairly good in America, compared with much of the world. I may not agree wih Bush's policies, but I don't feel his policies arise out out of malicious intent.

I don't know the age of the the majority of the people on this forum, but from what I've of the posts, I don't think many have much experience with the real world. I see a lot of unrealistic idealism. Idealism is good, however, a lot of posts are idealistic but the authors seem to have no idea how the world really works.

[QatzelOk]

Briteman, I haven't been a teen since Jimmy Carter left the White House. So please, stop telling other posters on this forum that they don't know how the 'real world' [I think you mean 'your world'] works.
And don't dismiss the opinions of young people so quickly. As I get older, I am starting to realize that there were things I know when I was 15 that I have forgotten since then.
Idealism isn't a form of ignorance, it's a form of beauty. And American Foreign Policy is very, veru ugly. It's a lot of "Let's kill those brown people and take their oil." And "How can we make a buck off starvation?"
Is it any wonder that it is only young Americans, relatively sheltered from the hate, greed, and racism that feeds and defines AFP, are able to make potentially useful suggestions on how to avoid a cataclysmic war between America and its victims [which includes the environment and half the world's poor]

[ComradeRick-CL]

Give me 10 good reasons to support the regime in the US, and I might reconsider my stance against the Bush administration.

1. Tax Cuts-for the rich
2. Defend America's Intrests first. killmany people across many different lands
3. Brought down 2 authortian governments. he forgot his own
4. He gave our version of Jihad agaist the terrorists.-our version, he said it not us
5. He trying to make it easyer to send children to private schools. why privatize so al the money can go into the hands of a few
6. Trying to get America out of the idea of a Wel-fare state. By privatising some parts of SS. Death to privatization, just gets rich richer and poor poorer
7. He reminded the world were still a super power. a fascist superpower, that acts unilaterallly
8. Dont forget is idea to return to the moon. Space imperialism
9. He creating democratic governments in the world. bougeois democracy
10. He dosent give into black-mail by Dictators. he is a dictator (Example: North Korea)

[Hamilcar]

I'm not exactly a Bush fan and I'm quite worried about his stances on religion and civil liberties, but the Crusade on Islamic Terrorism is about 25 good reasons to support Bush.

[Britezinc]

Briteman

Ah, an ad hominem attack. I could distort your name to get a cheap laugh, but I won't. And it would be so easy.

I haven't been a teen since Jimmy Carter left the White House. So please, stop telling other posters on this forum that they don't know how the 'real world' [I think you mean 'your world'] works.

I didn't say you in particular. Don't be so sensitive (seems this hit pretty close to home). It's pretty obvious that a large percentage of posters on this forum are young. A lot of forum members say they are. And I was responding to and giving my opinion to another member. I assume that's allowed on this forum.

As I get older, I am starting to realize that there were things I know when I was 15 that I have forgotten since then.

It's tragic when your memory starts to go.

Idealism isn't a form of ignorance, it's a form of beauty.

Idealism can be a good thing, but too often it takes the place of actual thought.

And American Foreign Policy is very, veru ugly. It's a lot of "Let's kill those brown people and take their oil." And "How can we make a buck off starvation?".

What country's foriegn policy isn't ugly? Canada benefits from US foriegn policy. The US and Britian protect Canada and the US maintains a world economic system and political system that benefits Canada, indeed all of the West, at least as as much as it benefits the US. I guess it's nice to pretend that "The Powers That Be" in Canada don't support US foriegn policy.

[QatzelOk]

It's tragic when your memory starts to go.

It's even more tragic when our collective memory starts to go.

Canada benefits from US foriegn policy. The US and Britian protect Canada and the US maintains a world economic system and political system that benefits Canada, indeed all of the West, at least as as much as it benefits the US.

Britain protected Canada once from the US. That's it. The US has never protected anyone but its own millionaires. And it has killed many times more people than it has ever saved. Saving a life and saving a state from evil communism aren't the same thing.
As for the American economic system that benefits Canada so well, I can hardly wait for the next ice storm, heat wave, flood or whatever other benefit of Consumer Capitalism awaits us all. Yay, capitalism.

[The One.]

American Capitalism doesn't benefit Canada?!

Ehum....





*Clears throat*








Haha

70% of our exports goes to the US.....You should have learned it like in 6th grade

So does Canada benefits from the US economy?? Nah.Of course not

[Goranhammer]

Don't kill yourselves trying to argue with him. It takes on an Ixabertian slant.