blackjack21 wrote:They are finally heading in the right direction. If they can cut illegal immigration to the United States, things will finally get better for our working class.
The problem has always been with employers and people hiring. Landlords renting, businesses depending on immigrant customers, and so on. The USA economy has fed off of immigrant labor for many many generations in the USA. But, the economy is changing. They need educated people with high tech skills Blackjack, that know their way around technology. The low skilled professions are not going to get anywhere except in some key industries in which American legal labor just sees it as slavery as well. Low paid, no benefits, barely surviving. They don't want those jobs. That is where the undocumented create their niche. Most well educated Latin Americans I know are not interested in leaving their home nations. They have great lifestyles in their home nations. The majority of Latin Americans who are interested in coming here can't make end's meet in the urban cities of Latin America either. They leave their small towns or ranches to the big cities and can't compete with urban Latin Americans with better educations and more connections and established professions. So they go for the USA. For the service industries, etc. Those jobs have dried up terribly here. And they pay way too low for most of the towns that have a deficit of those workers. In my home state? Colorado, they need workers to work in the ski resort hotels, the restaurants and the construction projects in these booming tourist towns. But? The rents are astronomical so the undocumented can't stay there unless the industries provide some kind of subsidized housing for them. So many things that are problematic. In the end, what you said about AI or Artificial Intelligence will be replacing many many low skilled jobs. What does this mean worldwide? Harari's book deals with that a lot. He has one called Homo Deus
. It is about the future with low skilled, no formal education work forces, being without work en masse. All over the world. How to cope with this problem? Also, Europeans and other well off socialistic nations like Sweden, France, Finland, Norway, Denmark, even China won't have large populations of educated native citizens abandoning those nations to come here for immigrant style wages and work. The days of the 1840's Irish potato famine is OVER. You won't get mass immigration from stable economic nation states. The USA only has new immigrant pools of workers from depressed economic states. Like Latin America, Africa and some parts of Southeast Asia. That is it. The rest of the 'white' nations are not going to be giving up their people whom they heavily invested time, money and skills in for the USA to benefit from. They won't do it. I know. I had to do a lot research on it.
It's also a major help to small business owners. That's where most of the hiring comes from in America.
Burdening small businesses with paying high health insurance premiums is a problem. Many counties tax small businesses a lot compared to huge corporate tax rates. The USA is notorious for putting small businesses out of business due to favorable conditions for corporations. They are not even handed at all there either. A mom and pop hardware store near a Home Depot or a Lowe's will go under quickly. Not even Sears can compete unless the change their business models drastically. The pace of change is going to make a lot of small business owners part of the working poor and lower middle classes living paycheck to paycheck as well.
They would be called Anglophone. White is a badly thought out word too. It doesn't stop the conversation.
All these generic catch-all categories do a piss poor job of dealing with diverse markers with individuals, groups and everything else. Whiteness doesn't say much about a person. It won't tell you what is meaningful to know. Such as: education, talents, age, marital status, profession, ethnicity, religion, political persuasion, socioeconomic background, class system category, and tendencies and health, sex and national origin. It says very little the word "White".
Except they aren't Latin either, and don't speak Latin. They have no ties to the Roman Empire.
The way Latino or Latin is interpreted in the Latino community makes it more appropriate than Hispanic
. Plus if one analyzes why all the romance languages are called romance languages? It comes from that root of both vulgar Latin
and classical Latin
. Classical Latin died off since it was only spoken by a small elite of Rome, and were Roman citizens mostly. The vulgar Latin survived and was spoken by the common people and slaves. The vast majority of Roman residents. It goes to show you Blackjack21 that in history what survives is not the elitist--but the common people. The low class. They are the majority for most inherited culture, language and labor too. The elite are expendable over time. The simple fact that the group evolves and the individualistic and elitist are gone over time. Not enough of them to have a long term impact over time over things like passing on language use. Anyway Portuguese and Spanish and French and Italian among others are all from one family. Latin root languages. Anglo/English comes from a German language root. The Germans were considered barbarians by the Romans. Uncultured, uncouth types. Lol. The Roman Empire had tremendous influences in countries like Spain and Italy, France, etc. Not that much in Germany and England. Yet the nations with the "Spanish" influence are the ones with what? Not ancient roots? It is the opposite. You got ancient Mesoamerica, ancient Africa and Ancient Latin influences all fused together in our nations. Anglos and English in Bill Bryson's book called Mother Tongue
, in which he deals with the history of the English language states that English was a no prestige whatsoever language
spoken by illiterate English peasants that no noble or elite would be caught dead speaking. Latin and French is what the landed and wealthy spoke way back in time in England. It is fascinating how a peasant language that no one would publish in that language got to be so spread over the world. So commonly used and is the world's second language studied by a lot of people. If you study it Blackjack? It teaches you a lot about money, power and influence based on conquest, imperialism, and genocide and imposition. And it also teaches you how the low and humble can become the upper crust and powerful. Because it all CHANGES not because one language is superior and others inferior. No, it is about a lot of interesting and complex things and rarely has to do with what the elite do or don't do in society. It has to do with military might, empire, wealth, and fights for power, many of which failed for many centuries and took a long time to emerge the victor. They can also lose that position to others doing a lot of efforts to compete. It is not about anything innately superior. Another book I love is Michael Crawford's Language Loyalties
. How people are attached and loyal to their maternal or native languages.
I'm English and Irish. I get called "white." I suppose I could throw hissy fits from here to kingdom come about it, but I really don't see the point in it.
You usually don't have to because you swim in 'privilege'. The entire society is geared to speak English (your native language), to a masculine viewpoint in many tech professions (most of them are males in your profession) and you are never seen as ''different" and éthnic by many.....you are seen as the 'mainstream' person. No one really thinks you deviating from a set norm in the USA. In California you might not be....but remember Blackjack, you are not a working class man. You are a man with at least a six figure income living in good neighborhood and are respected as 'successful'. For you? The hissy fit are for the disgruntled. Lol. I don't know, you tend to be pissed about leftism
, you might have a hissy fit over that.
I've been there, so I am well aware. That's also true in the UK. The Cornish, the Scottish and the Welsh have various independence movements.
You are not really Irish or English anymore Blackjack. To be that? Got to be born and raised in that land, with that culture and that history influencing you all the time during your formative years. You are an American with an ethnic background rooted in English and Irish immigrants from the past to the Americas. You are an American and don't speak English like an Englishman. You certainly don't speak English like Potemkin....the Scot. Lol. You are American and you are exposed to American many cultures melding there for a long time. There is little of American culture that is purely English. You are multicultural by default being American to a certain extent.
You think like a banker or a politician. Everything done by someone else is somehow yours to expropriate. People generate things of value and exchange them for comparative advantage. That doesn't mean that you get to drive off in your neighbor's car. If you want to call that a lie, have at it. I wouldn't try that as a defense in a court of law, though.
You are not a Marxist for economics. I am. I follow Richard Wolff's ideas about transforming the economy. You agree or you don't. That is your imperative. I think you should know that making property and class as something that you are super attached to because it solidifies your privileges is more akin to a pro capitalist liberal and a pro capitalist banker than I will ever be Blackjack. Didn't you mention that you worked for Bank of America? I have never worked for a bank. Ever. If I had to choose between you and your comfortable salary and alone man with no dependents with expensive China living on his own in an expensive neighborhood and have to take a few thousands more from you in taxes to feed a struggling mother working full time with two dependent children to make her life breathable to make that happen for her? Even though they are not your kids....but her husband is dead and she is in need? As a socialist you can bet your bottom dollar that I would. I would take that shit from you FAST. How much do you need to live a good life. You tell me, "Tainari I love to travel and I have 8 weeks of paid vacation a year. Check. I will give that to you. Tainari I like eating wine with my dinner at home that I enjoy. Check. Yes. You can do that....I need my car Tainari....yes, one car. To get to work you are a single man. Don't need two cars. I need a two to three bedroom home with two baths. Have relatives coming over and so on....Yes. But if you tell me, Ï need six vacation homes, yachts, never work for the rest of my life, live off interest only, have a maid full time in my house, gardner full time, luxuries that are rare as hell because that is MY RIGHT? No. I will say, "Nope, you don't need that. There are others in this society that need basics. You can't have luxuries until everyone's basic needs are met and we as a whole group are much more comfortable, educated, well fed, and well taken care of in the basics at least FIRST. You got to sacrifice. After all this is your nation no? You want your neighbors, and fellow citizens to do well. Crime to go down and for all of the best people to have their needs met no matter what. That is fair no? You don't agree? Why? And it better not be some self-centered and ego fueled reason of power grabbing and wanting more than what is reasonable. But if you think you are a fine coder? And you can be of great value to others in this society? Have your people who you influence petition that you get more for a lot of years due to your true loving nature, hard work, and social consciousness. Lol.
If you do the math? If all of us were assessed fairly in that way? All these serious poverty traps and health problems and issues would be gone. If you want a mathematical and scientific model of this type of socialism in action. Ask me. Again, Richard Wolff has all the Ivy League credentials and many many economists have a lot of working models for my type of socialist organizing of society. It works. Better than top heavy inequality of distribution of wealth for sure.
Yes, and they are facing a political comeuppance in the West.
Yes. so will any selfish people who only care about tax cuts and self centered shit that is about retaining their privileges and not dealing with widespread failures in the system over all.
What makes you think I haven't?
What you have written so far Blackjack. For example saying that you are only interested in hiring the supposed coders who are not "White" (that generic word again!) due to having a financial incentive to do so. You are motivated by personal gain. Not because you care. You implied as much. I doubt you care enough about low income kids of all backgrounds to go and give up your free time to help them get six figure salaries in the future. If you did? You would be a different type of man than the one I have read so far on this site. But you hate leftism. If you think leftism means sacrificing for others even if it hurts your wallet very much? You won't do it Blackjack. You don't strike me as a particularly religious man at all. Not even the hypocritical kind. I could be wrong but you don't strike me as a holy roller and go to church five times a week kind of man. No. Am I wrong?
Yes, but even you are moving to Mexico, not Cuba or Venezuela or Bolivia. We've been hearing about this utopian vision for many lifetimes. Yet, it always seems so elusive.
Well, I invite you to open a thread with me on the histories of all those nations. I have studied Latin American history for many many years. I am moving to Mexico that happens to have a socialist president I have been following for years since he was elected mayor of Mexico City. I have observed all his 'fights' internally with the Mexican bourgeoisie and the Mexican Right for many many years. The Morena
Party was fighting for years and years. AMLO (Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador) is a socialist. A Mexican socialist. The PRI and the PAN tried to stop him for many election cycles. It no longer works. Not even fraud on a massive scale worked this time. Too many Mexicans voting for him now. Mexico has a very deeply embedded Left. I worked in Mexico in the past and visited almost all the Mexican states. I have a godson there now. I have a lot of ties to Mexico. Including specializing in Mesoamerican ancient civilizations. I am going to sink every last penny of mine in Mexico Blackjack. Take it out of this economy. I think this economy is going to tank eventually. Too many others doing some damage. Lol. Plus, I am not attached to money. My husband is retiring soon and what he will be getting is enough to live in Mexico without working. Time for me to do some things I have put on the back burner. But? I do plan on going to both Venezuela and Cuba too. In Puerto Rico I got tons of tourists in my little young person's job there in the tourism stuff, met a lot of Venezuelans, all one hour from Caracas. My mother was invited to Havana to work and do education programs. Cuba is a known element and I looked up the requirements to live there. It is not hard. I have all the pre-requisites. A socialist from Puerto Rico sued the USA government for the right to be considered a Puerto Rican citizen ONLY
, it went to the highest possible court. He won the right. One of the things he did Blackjack was to establish an embassy in Cuba. For Puerto Rico. Which according to the USA's laws is illegal. Not allowed. But the Cubans don't care. They allowed it. You figure it out Blackjack. Puerto Ricans have more in common historically, geographically, linguistically and culturally with the Cuban people and the Cuban nation than they do with the USA. The ties are deep and long. So Cuba is not some unknown element. Venezuela is the place that originated the Taino Arawak Indian group that populated the island about 5,000-3,000 BC. We have mitochondrial DNA shared with them as well. Chavez tried to sell us cheap oil. Sila Calderon our governor (a woman from the PPD party on the island tried to do a deal), it was slapped down by the USA. A lot of things we could do on our own but if we need DC say so with no political voice or vote there? None of it gets anywhere. You are right. We are fucked for sure. But? How long that shitty relationship will continue without some kind of blood being spilled and shit being bad? Your guess is as good as mine. The Venezuelans are watching us, the Colombians want an embassy from us there but the USA says no. The Dominicans want us in their nation. You would be surprised. How many of these small places and nations want ties with us....but the USA isolates us on purpose. To make sure they control. It is not helping us. Our business model there? Is obsolete. Even the ones who might have your very same economic suggestions Blackjack think it is not functional. It needs to be scrapped. But? No. The banksters need to be paid first. No bankruptcy allowed, workers and fleeing to the states. Adding to more Latinos. Deporting the undocumented. Importing the documented. Latino power.....get rid of us in one way, get others another way. No one deals with what they should deal with BJ, STABILIZE the nations to stop the flow. Stop the musical chairs.
Well you do advocate for an economic system that produces dismal results everywhere it is tried. What's the excuse for Maduro's government? I suppose it's all the outside forces that just don't want to get along with Maduro's government, because it cannot possibly be the fault of socialists. Right?
Blackjack, got to study all of the whole of Venezuelan history. From Simon Bolivar to Hugo Chavez Frias and Maduro. Coups and everything else. Venezuela has an issue. It has had a huge oil reserve. But it wasn't improving the life of average Venezolano. I read a lot about it Blackjack. There is a great book but it is in Spanish by a Spanish from Spain journalist called Ignacio Ramonet. He interviewed Chavez about why he dealt with the issues of overthrow. Who were the Venezuelan bourgeoisie before Chavez? Why were the lower classes so agitated with the status quo before Chavez
? why are there so many socialist movements in Latin America? What message do we have that the Latinos like? Lol. Because our elite and ruling class is incredibly inflexible and the social mobility is like cement. Whenever there is a change? It is like populism. Why Trump appeals for example to the American populists. But in Latin America? Most of our poor are not European and are not Rightists. At all. They don't see themselves in rich and comfortable European faces. The message is going to vary. Latin America doesn't have extremely developed capitalist and healthy balanced economies with socialist safety nets to pay off the underclass. We also have interventions from the Colossal from the North with corporations and rapacious profit motive capitalists with very very powerful ties to military and government force interventionist policies squashing any possible progress made. We got a lot of things going on. Personally, I never liked how Maduro dealt with things. He lacks some pragmatic and well thought out plans. But? A failed drone trying to assassinate him and supposedly done by the USA gov't won't help. The USA is not the Nice Guy in Latin American societies. We have a different idea of what Yankee governments are all about. Totally different than what someone like you sees it as? And even you don't like the current elite in the USA Blackjack. Imagine the ones with the issues with a long memory feel? Lol.
I've travelled far and wide. I've seen how most of the rest of the world lives, and I would not like to join them.
You can bet you have not lived our lives. You have not lived my life. The youngest daughter of two Puerto Ricans who were dirt poor and were born in one in the Great Depression and the other one before WWII broke out in Europe. Who came as migrants to the USA. Dealt with some bad racism. Because my parents were dealing with an era of some bad racism in the USA in the 40s, 50s, 60s. You don't give a shit about their discrimination. I happen to think you are not open about the ones you see as the ínferiors. Thank goodness my parents never let that crap hold them back. Despite all the obstacles? They got a bunch of advanced educations. My mother never got anything less than an A
in any academic subject she tackled. Valedictorian. My father a cum laude graduate. Learned Japanese too. Besides Spanish and English. Linguist. Bright. Artist. Fantastic painter, writer, and everything else. Both of them. They weren't from the bourgeoisie of the island. No. They came from rural places, poor, my paternal grandfather was an illiterate peasant. Fruit seller. Without any land. Poor as dirt. Died when my father was 8 years old.
Both of them had every reason to give up and fail, not be who they became. Or start taking bribes from the conservatives who wanted them to back statehood or some bullshit they did not believe in. Never gave up. At all. Even if it costs them their lives. That is who I come from. Some fake fucking weak ass socialist I am not. At all. I don't believe in fakers. No Blackjack. That is not I. I am not some doctor's son with privileges in the USA swimming in his element and with his English language the only one he speaks well and fluently. No....my parents taught me to be humble, be free and be ME. And be consistent. In everything. Don't be a damn fake piece of lying shit in politics. So I am not.
I also am Latin in style. Not Anglo and lacking in some passion while speaking. I am me. And I choose to be that way. The Mexicans tease me for a style they keep confusing with Cuba. I say no....not Cuban style. Puerto Rican. They smile.....we all know each other in Latin America. Our singers, songs, gossip, art, bad politics, good politics, problems and joys. All of us.
I think your ideas are based on unsound assumptions. The world will change in ways you do not expect. Many of the efforts put forth by what are now called "social justice warriors" do not pan out as hoped.
Do you know how many people used to tell Martin Luther King, Jr, or every single progressive movement was told that to not fight for any change? Do you want to go back to a time of African Americans not voting? No social security for older people? No pensions for older Americans? No days off and working over eight hours with no overtime? No women voting? No attempts at creating a less lop sided power structure? When you criticize Saudi Arabia for cutting off hands and the way they treat women? What part of the political spectrum has fought for all the supposed 'better'rights that Americans enjoy nowadays were fought by who? The RIGHT wing arrogant types with privileges who HATE progress? Who want NO CHANGE. Who hang around blocking rights and taking away rights instead of adding on more rights? I can answer that one for you Blackjack. THE LEFTISTS. Not the right. The right is comfortable hanging on to SHIT privileges that are always keeping people back from having more choices in their lives. I have issues with liberals. Because of accepting that capitalism forces one class to labor and constantly be scrambling to live, while others just coast along.....worried about there 4,000 china....stolen by the rabble that breaks into their home. They aren't concerned with rights not directly going into their own existences and class categories. Short term, and weak thinkers in social movements for sure. Shaking up xenophobia and latent racism to get a crooked gerrymandered and less than popular vote based system to work for them in their crooked ways. For how long? Maybe....you can fool some of the people for some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. That is what the USA is going to be coping with soon. Good luck with that BJ. I will be in Mexico. Dealing with the Mexican scene. On a plane to Havana in 2020. My contribution to the USA? Working for many years, paying taxes and raising a child so he is an upstanding and hard working and good kid not giving the society any burdens or troubles. Love all societies. Do good in all of them. In the end? We are all humans. All one. That is my philosophy. What is yours?
For example, in efforts to establish pay equity for women, academics and politicians devised a system of categorizing jobs and skill levels. They asserted that women working as receptionists had a similar skill level to men working as HVAC technicians. So what did they do? Push for higher wages for female receptionists.
Who did that Blackjack21? The Right types or the Left types? Or was it both? You tell me. I am curious. At your job?
You may thing that is a project worthwhile and respect and love such work. Market forces respond. How? It becomes a market opportunity to automate phone routing. So now there is nobody answering the phone. A computer does it.
AI is fascinating. I was reading that Yuval Harari book Homo Deus
. He gets deep into how technology is going to transform employment, jobs, how people communicate, how they date, love, eat and sleep and every aspect of human life. But again, in the end we are all one. Human. One species.
I've said before when I was working at Bank of America, I remember telling my boss' boss that corporations would soon be outsourcing entire chunks of their workforce overseas. He said, "that'll never happen." Do you know what I was working on? A call routing application for customer service at a bank. A huge chunk of those jobs went to India. That's great for India, but it sucks for people who used to do those jobs who are now slinging coffee at Starbucks or something, or perhaps are unemployed or underemployed. Most repetitive work will start getting automated over the next 20 years. It will be making those with lower skill levels and lower IQs more and more redundant.
Again Harari touched on that book. I have read the entire book on that subject. If they get rid of truck driver and driver as employment in the USA? That is the most common job. And it pays fairly well in most places. They eliminate that job? What to do with those workers? The purpose of automation should be to free up time and space and efforts so that human beings can work less hours and have time for their own development. And benefit from their own self improvement and development. Have stronger ties with their communities and their families. To have a real shot at self realization. But, if the goal is to make them feel useless, redundant, and not wanted? Get ready for some serious destabilizations and people actively seeking to destroy all the system that they see as oppressive. Humans are after all social beings. We can see it when we touch our belly buttons. The cord to our mothers. Someone we were attached to. If we can't feel part of something? Then why preserve it? That is the question the cloud coders and all the high tech workers should be wrestling with? How can I make this species better and more satisfied? How to balance work, play, recreation and give opportunities? How do I support the behaviors that work and get the behavior that is problematic to deal with becoming problem solving behaviors? That is enough to keep you busy Senor BJ for the rest of your life. And mine too.
That's another one of those universalist/Olympian assumptions that there is some collective "we" who can manage situations all over the world. We cannot. So such efforts will fail. That is why I reject the idea that egalitarianism is going to set all things right.
The Collective We is already here BJ. You got Walmart ChinaMart full of goods from a culture half a world away from us. Producing for us. To trade with us. You got Mexicans, Central Americans, Chinese, etc in San Francisco all of them with their own restaurants, small businesses based on habits, paradigms and traditions from places far away....from California. You got huge organizations like the UN, the ONU, the WTO, and the EU, and you got organizations running around everyday interacting with the most far flung cultures, languages, geographies, topographies, tribes, cities, governments, exchanges of banks, money, currencies, crypto, etc. all of them in a big ass WE COLLECTIVE....influencing your life right now as we speak. That you choose to ignore it? That is up to you. I don't. Can't ignore the advances of interdependency. It is everywhere. You assume you can focus on what "nationalism" or I see you changed your category to centrist. Lol. Whatever BJ. You need to cope with interdependency. It is a law of nature. It is also evolving in human economic structures. Deal with the WE. ASAP. It might surprise you if you knew that if you work on shifting the system to be more inclusive and less exclusive you might get some serious progress. And avoid war. That is a good thing.
That is already happening. The largest recent example was the deliberate destabilization of Syria by the Obama administration. They will never be called out for it, because being a Democrat means never having to say you are sorry.
Never liked liberal hypocrisy or Conservative hypocrisy. Take responsibility for these messes made and don't repeat that shit. But somehow they always repeat the same mistakes. Afghanistan was a mess for the British. Vietnam was a problem for the French....and so on, yet no one wants to learn from other nation's mistakes. Thinking they are the exception. That lack of humility rears its ugly head again in history. Ay Senor Blackjack. When will we learn from our historical past properly eh?
I agree wholeheartedly.
Once you get rid of the fakers and liars and who don't live their politics or their principles? You got the true believers and the consistent and we can fight it out with some decent results. In my theory? You can't do much about the fakers but get rid of them out of power. Then you cope with the ones who are sincere. In my opinion, the differences in those with sincere differences tend to make deals and do the right thing in the end. The ones with the fake shit and the lies? No. Not to be trusted. Not even as foes or enemies. Can't trust a damn thing they agree to do.
I don't purport to be a sociologist or anthropologist. However, I am both well travelled and well read. I'm not fluent in any other languages. This is true, but I can speak a few hundred words of Russian, and with no traceable accent--enough to freak out Russians who think I might be a spy or something. I'm more "studied" in German, but don't speak it very well.
I find the linguist influence on Marxism hysterical. They are going to have to outlaw languages like Italian, French, Spanish, German and Russian, because they are sexist languages. They genderize nouns and add declension on top of it. You're all going to have to learn to speak politically correct English you know.
You don't know much about linguistics BJ. If you did? You would not have said what you said. Lol. I can go for a thousand pages about different language families, grammars, histories, etc. Why Mandarin can say something without a plural and imply there is more than one, while in a Native American language they indicate a plural by repeating the first syllable of a noun. Why? Suffice it to say that each language is like a particular house or architectural blueprint. And trying to make another house design fit a structure it was never built for is not good for understanding it. Lol. Chomsky is a brilliant linguist. You should read how he interprets language and what it is suppose to mean. You just want to be what? Sexist? Without having a SJW monitor your politically incorrect language? Lol. I don't care about what some liberal types want. Neither should you. Be free. Not worried about trivial shit. I don't.
Do you mean like acting nonplussed when you see a Masai toddler crying in a patty of cowshit and covered in flies, because that's just how things roll in rural Kenya? Or being contemplative and inquisitive when an ISIS fighter throws a homosexual off a building?
You think there are not third world conditions in the USA? Alabama had hookworm outbreaks and contaminated water, toddlers drinking contaminated water in Flint Michigan and the kids will be permanently damaged. Their IQ since you put so much stock in that permanently low because of lead ingestion. All done by USA citizen politicians to other people in their own country. I am nonplussed? Aren't these people supposed to be an example on how to treat others in their society. Aren't they wealthy and can afford basic shit like clean water and no hookwork and open sewers? What happened? Appalachian white kids of your gene background, English, Welsh, Irish, Scotch, living like people in Africa.....WHY? Hmmmm. Maybe it is about priorities set by people in power to change things but they don't. How about homosexuals? In Wyoming they killed a gay kid. Matt his name was. Matthew. Gays and homosexuals have been killed in many states for being gay. Some thrown off buildings but it was deemed a suicide. They overdose on drugs due to the pain of self medicating. They commit suicide. Opioid epidemic. All these lily white people overdosing on prescription drugs because a pharmaceutical drug company needs to send millions of pills to small towns in Ohio to profit. They are 'superior' to the Kenyans and the Saudi....in ethics? Aren't they? You tell me how ethical these American types are?
Right. That's why I gave up on egalitarianism beyond equal application of the law, and even that is a very frayed pretense anymore.
It is. You are right about the law. I agree. But laws change if you pressure enough politically to change them. Not easy to do. But doable. Nothing is set in concrete. Not even laws.
This is why I throw up in my mouth a little when politicians talk about our "shared values."
I throw up when they say how they believe in equality and justice and the American way and they are a bunch of lying pieces of shit with all their promised equality when they never live the values they spout. The Trump is not Mr. Truth and never tells a lie. Lol. Obama was a liberal schemer liar as well. What else is new in politics BJ?
Yes. We're going to have to get after those Germans. Das mädchen for a girl? Why neuter for young girls and masculine for boys, but feminine for women? Do you think we should start a campaign to feminize mädchen?
You got me confused again with white liberal pro Hillary Clinton voter for president 2016. All that constant energy behind crap ideas of language policing is not me. Lol. But it seems to me that it irritates you. Lol. I just laugh. For me if your life is that content that you have time to be some language police? You got too much time on your hands.
Let me again state that I did not call Puerto Ricans inferiors. However, they have yet to hold a plebiscite with a large voter turnout and tell the United States they want to be an independent nation. I think that would be good. You could hyperinflate away the debt, just like Venezuela.
Look like you did not learn much by reading Balzac insular case. And many others. Doesn't matter how many plebiscites we hold. And if we vote. It is not about what we would want. It never was. It is strange how you still think colonialism is about what the colonized may want. It never is. But? You can think all you want about this or that. In Limbo we shall remain. Only if the USA needs a change will it change. The only way in our history we got some change in a fairly quick way? Bullets and violence. The USA respects that shit from colonies. Not talk and pleading, and votes. No. What makes things happen for some kind of moving the needle with Yankee governments are bullets and violence. Then they put some energy and attention behind figuring out what went wrong. That is the way it is not only with the USA but with many countries that colonize others and wake up to the 'locals' aint happy.....only when the locals are violent and revolting. Then they say, "Shit, crisis. Got to respond. Can't sit on my fat ass and do nothing anymore. It is urgent. Send in the troops." That stuff doesn't work BJ. Don't wait for violence. Do the right thing while there is still time. All the court cases said that Puerto Rico is a foreign thing in a domestic sense. It doesn't make sense. Why? Because they want to control but not give rights. So they have to come up with legal gymnastics. It doesn't matter......I can tell you this. The pro Independence Puerto Ricans died. Many did. How many Puerto Ricans who back statehood have died for their ideal? Confronting the USA to be the 51st state and give their life for that cause? The answer is 0. None. Cowards. All of them. They scream and cry and so on. But they have not been able to move the needle for integration. It is obvious. We are in the state we are currently in because the USA gov't wants it to be that way. If it changes? There will be a legally binding plesbicite. And not the one held recently with only 23% participation rate of the voters there. No.
A lot of our legal system's 20th Century quirks are built on blending jurisdiction and creating legal fictions--like US citizens who live in a country over which the United States is sovereign. I'd like to see independence as just one more spanner in the works of the establishment.
I am not about independence to be anti establishment. I am pro independence because I think that is the best possible chance for Puerto Ricans taking complete and absolute responsibility for their own destinies. For Puerto Ricans having to create a life for themselves and being able to make important decisions to improve their own circumstances. The first party in Puerto Rico that was voted in by the Puerto Rican local voter and not a military government appointee appointed by the USA federal government was Luis Munoz Rivera. 1948. They were into a path to independence as well. No Puerto Rican thought the USA was going to do what they wound up doing. They thought the USA went to war with Spain to 'liberate'us and give us a lasting independence. Not what actually happened. Statehood party did not even show up on the political scene BJ til 1968. After Castro and Cuba gave them the eebie jeebies and they decided they could not trust Puerto Ricans with independence ideas anymore. Lol. Cooked up political alternative. But they put lots of money behind it. Could not have Anglos speaking English promoting it BJ. We would not identify with someone like you with bad or no Spanish talking to us about being a state. No. So they had a Cuban guy who resided in Puerto Rico that Castro sort of kicked out that owned cement factories and was wealthy be the voice of the statehood movement.
Lower than Italians! Ha. My first cousin is half Italian. My Irish grandmother used to call me "lad" and call him "boy". We still get a laugh out of what today's social justice warriors would find appalling. When he has to drive his wife somewhere, he says, "I'm driving Miss Daisy." Some people find humor in these things, others horror. It's hard to figure on Dr. Rhodes. The US military has been known to conduct medical experiments on people. Hell, the no-man-in-the-house rule flagged by Daniel Patrick Moynihan in the 1960s suggested that the establishment knew they would be destroying black families with that policy. That's one reason I will never vote Democrat.
I am sorry BJ. I don't believe you care about the plight of black families. Or Latinos either. I don't think you care. Nothing you write gives me that impression. Really. So what you think is right about the racist language has no weight for me. Remember? You care about the people you write about? You got some influence. You don't really care about them and don't see them as equals to you? You don't have much influence there.
Small states can be immensely successful. Hong Kong, Singapore, Israel, etc. However, that has a lot to do with their system when they have no natural resources. Puerto Rico is fucked under US rule. That should be obvious to all Puerto Ricans, but evidently it is not.
It is talked about a lot BJ, But there is a blackout on the Puerto Rican side of history. You only hear the USA side of the story here for obvious reasons. Again, if things don't change soon? You will have problems in the near future. Another hurricane knocks out the power and FEMA no longer has money to spend there? No jobs and no infrastructure and mass exodus to the states? How many choices left in that scenario? Ghost nation. Like the Native American tribes. And not the successful ones either.
Right. That is why Donald Trump won. It's the lack of tariffs that allow them to do that. America is a huge consumer market, and tariffs dictate where they can and can't go. They like being able to go wherever they want. I think tariffs against China is a lot of fun. It's screwing up the establishment, and that makes me happy.
You definitely don't like the globalist multinational liberal elite. For sure. Lol. Who knows how all of this pans out. I think the USA is growing weaker with time with this lack of loyalty to at least national interests. They are so beyond the pale with that? Who knows where they wind up BJ. In that? I do think you are right about that.
When the very wealthy are exploiting the poor in dangerous working conditions at rock bottom wages, you have a very good point. You can't say that about Bill Gates though. Maybe Jeff Bezos. Inequality is not always about exploitation.
Gates is a pro capitalism liberal in his ways. And he is promoting computer literacy, vaccines and sex education controls in the Third World. He wants to get a lot more advanced skill sets from the Third World youth. After all if they have access to many things and can bring up their nations' GDP? They wind up being new customers for Microsoft. It will kill the nationalist stuff again. It all does.
That's Christianity, not socialism. Jesus wasn't pushing a dictatorship of the Proletariat.
Yes, there are a lot of cold blooded cocodrilos. But? If you are looking for cocodrilos only in a dark swamp? That is all you will find. While you are looking at the stars above you in all their heavenly glory? And have always the best of love and respect for all of our human common bonds? The cocodrilos will be pacified with your love vibrations. Most animals do well with respecting their natures and allowing them to live true to their natures yet without trying to change it. Let the cocodrilos do their job. In the end they are part of the eco system too. And they in the end are part of our reptilian DNA....they are us and we are they.
I ran out of time. But I will answer the rest on Saturday tomorrow BJ.
I know you don't see me as my equal. That is clear as day. I don't have much of a high expectation from the very conservative males on this board anyway.
But I have enjoyed the debate. Because you took the time to write things. That is good.
Equality is about internal innate value. That old evolutionary theory about struggle for existence. My ancestors and yours as well, fought mightily for many hundreds of thousands of years....so that we can be here. Writing. My parents learned to read and write and taught me. I use that great invention. It makes me equal. In some ways.
Genesis. Cuando nada quede en la tierra, que evoca a Dios....solo queda una lumbre....y esa sera el amor, el amor, para empezar.
A great song. A Puerto Rican one. I like that one. It is all about what gives us life. And @Potemkin will appreciate that. It is all about my real name.
Be back tomorrow to finish the rest I ran out of time. Got to pick up my boy.