Tainari88 wrote:@wat0n you are missing an important point in all of this topic. What is white resentment? It is about how all races are identified in the US system. And from the inception of the beginning of the USA, it has been tainted with racism and racist categories, simply because it was a way of pitting all of the working class and rural peasant class of all races and cultures against each other. Divide and conquer. The USA had Bacon's Rebellion. The British favored the Indians of Virginia over poor farmers who were white due to a benefit of keeping them from competing for power with them. In the USA's history race and socioeconomic status went hand in hand. Inextricably linked. If you wish to destroy that link? You need to give up any conservative political leanings. None of the conservatives will ever give up that need to be dominant, to be elite, to be ruling class and to divorce race from ruling status in society. The only political class who allows real tokens and real social mobility that attempts to decouple the link between race and socioeconomic status in the USA is LIBERAL. From the left, like @late.
The farther to the Right one goes in the USA on the political spectrum the more status quo and fear based the repression and hatred of anything that is about racial justice and equality in the USA goes. The extreme Right is basically fascist Master race people. Scene from Charlottesville. They will not replace us is the slogan. They fear being replaced. By the scary Blacks, Latinos and Jews, etc. Replaced where? In positions of dominance, and power. If they did not fear that? They would not chant it.
There is fear in a big way in the Master Race, Far Right. And it is more of a threat in the USA than you would be willing to admit to Wat0n. You got some idea of Gringolandia that is way off the charts of bullshit in my opinion. You are a like a guy who came in to the final scene of a three act play to say one line and never studied the entire script before you did it.
The USA is not what you think it is. It is defective and is following a historical pattern of declining Empires. But? If you believe all the propaganda and bullshit it is easy to think your version is truthful.
Just ask all the African Americans from the highest social and economic status to the lowest. Do they feel safe driving on the road with the cops around? Have they ever been followed in a store because they might steal something? Have they been questioned in terms of competency for a position at a job or work place? If they went to the university where they ever questioned if they were smart enough? Did they actually write a paper or was it plagarized? I actually had an anthropology professor question one of my papers. He knew I was Puerto Rican. He thought I did not write the paper and plagarized it. I had to be called in to demonstrate it was my writing. Once it was proven I wrote it...he apologized to me.
Why did he question me? Because in his racist mind, a Puerto Rican girl did not write in English that well. And certainly not with the kind of originality he thought was someone else's. Why? because he grew up in Philadelphia in some all white neighborhood and the only Puerto Ricans he had known were all on welfare and never got great educations and were all janitors and low socioeconomic position people. They spoke broken English and were inferior. The racist mind is like that.
You are stuck coping with those people. @Pants-of-dog is right. It is up to us, the Latin Americans to fight that fight. The white resentment and the white people who are surrounded by their own privilege are all oblivious to the fucking racism because it does not affect them at all. @Fasces is analytical. He looks at the stats and says, shit the racism is real. The whitelash is real.
He does not waste time in denial. Denial is a waste of time.
Are you saying most American whites think like that in 2023 or just that there is a fringe minority that does? Just how long ago did you have that experience with your professor?
You mentioned the so-called Replacement Theory, but it seems that what drives belief in that theory is
not race but simply believing in conspiracy theories in general. Conspiracy nuts don't seem to belong to any particular demographic either, even though Republicans are somewhat more likely to believe in conspiracy theories in general (32% vs ~25% for Democrats and Independents).
AP-NORC wrote:...
Across the survey, Republicans have deep concerns about the potential impacts of immigration. However, those who express the strongest anxiety about immigration are people who believe in conspiracies. These Americans are defined as those most likely to agree with a series of statements including that “much of our lives are being controlled by plots hatched in secret places” and that “big events like wars, recessions, and the outcomes of elections are controlled by small groups of people who are working in secret against the rest of us.”
These conspiratorial thinkers closely resemble the general population in terms of their race, income, and education. However, this group consistently reports feeling discriminated against, is less trusting of new people, and is more likely to be evangelical and interpret the Bible literally. And people who believe in conspiracy theories are more than twice as likely as the general public to agree with both the core arguments behind Replacement Theory (42% vs. 17%).
“The people who hold conspiratorial beliefs don’t fit into any particular demographic,” said Jennifer Benz, deputy director of The AP-NORC Center. “In today’s media environment, when misinformation is so widespread, these results show that people from all kinds of political, demographic, and socioeconomic backgrounds can be susceptible to these narratives.” About a third (32%) of all Republicans register as high conspiratorial thinkers, compared to about a quarter of Democrats (24%) and independents (25%). White conspiratorial thinkers are also far more likely than other white Americans to believe they face discrimination in their daily lives because of their race.
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I'll also note that, thus far, I've provided evidence of now two programs that benefit BIPOC more that receive widespread support nationally. I'll add a new one:
Food stamps/SNAP, which also has widespread support, even among Whites.
Another issue has to do with the futility of using "race" as an analytic category. I'm actually having to deal with that in my job IRL, as it turns out I'm seeing from the American Community Survey (a yearly survey from the Census Bureau that is a "mini Census" of sorts since the sample corresponds to ~1% of all the US population and widely used for social science research) that many Hispanics went from self identifying as "White alone" to identifying as "Multiple races: White and Some Other Race" between 2019 and 2021. If around 5% identified as the latter in 2019, in 2021 the figure jumped to around 44%. If I had to bet, that "Some Other Race" is precisely Hispanic/Latino, but it's impossible to know for sure. By the way, I found about this problem because I was initially looking at the Puerto Rico figures. The pattern is the same, there the percentage jumped from 7% to 35% between 2019 - if you have an explanation I'll be happy to learn about the views of an actual Puerto Rican by PM since I don't know if this is a real thing or if there could have been differences in data collection between both years (also a possibility).
Anyway, something that is
not futile is to consider income, a far, far more objective criterion - you either earn as much or little as required or you don't, period, even if it may be possible to commit fraud to get benefits (the same holds with race).
If you think race effectively divides the working class, an idea I find plausible although I think it's just something that happens rather than something planned by anyone, then you most certainly don't want to advocate using something as ethereal as race to assign benefits now in 2023 and reinforcing that process.
@Pants-of-dog available surveys suggest that perception does not hold for the Pell Grant and, as far as I'm aware, Social Security. I've seen some papers claiming it does exist for Medicaid, yet in practice voters still tend to vote for it when directly asked. It seems the purse is a powerful incentive for most people, regardless of feelings or ideology.
@late are you speaking personally?
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